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Woman worried visitation ban affecting mother’s emotional well-being

Lisa Payne is concerned about how a visitation ban at the Corner Brook Long Term Care Home may be affecting her mother. No one has been able to see Mona Davis for a week. Paul Hutchings

Lisa Payne is concerned about how a visitation ban at the Corner Brook Long Term Care Home may be affecting her mother. No one has been able to see Mona Davis for a week.

Diane Crocker
Published on January 17, 2013
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Corner Brook , Pasadena

CORNER BROOK — Lisa Payne is worried about her mother.

For a week now, visitor restrictions at the Corner Brook Long Term Care Home have meant neither the Pasadena woman nor any of her family have been able to visit with 85-year-old Mona Davis.

The visitation restriction, confined to Partridgeberry Place (the fourth floor of the facility), was put in place last Wednesday in response to a number of residents suffering from an influenza-type illness.

The issue for Payne is not just that the family can’t see their mother, it’s that they can’t provide the care for her that they have been since she moved into the home over two years ago.

Davis, 85, suffered a stroke in July 2010 that left her paralyzed on the right side of her body and without the ability to speak.

Payne’s three sisters take turns and spend about 15 hours a day with their mother caring for her needs, everything from feeding and washing her to cleaning her room, changing her bed, doing her laundry and taking her out of bed.

“My three sisters know her right now better than anyone else, better than me, better than anybody else, because they spend every third day there with her,” said Payne.

Payne agrees the care her sisters provide involves things the staff at the facility should be doing and said they have been asked many times why they don’t just let the staff do it.

“Our mother is 85 years old, there’s 10 of us kids, and she spent her lifetime doing for us. Mother’s do that. And she’s not going to be left alone to have the kind of care they provide in there. They’re not going to stand for that and this is just proof that they need to be in there.”

She said the family is worried, not only about their mother’s physical health and if her needs are being met, but also about her emotional well-being.

Payne said they regularly call the unit to check on her, but doesn’t think family is getting the full story.

“I call in, an hour later my sister will call in and they’re telling us two different things,” she said. “They’re not providing us with the truth. They’re providing us with words they think we want to hear.”

 Payne said a similar situation occurred at the home last winter, but then her sisters were allowed in at meal time.

“What made this time any different from last time?” she said, and questioned why those who are sick aren’t isolated from everyone else.

“I’d just like to get my sisters back in there, even for a couple of hours a day. Just to sit with her and reassure her that her family hasn’t deserted her.”

Helping provide care

Meanwhile, Kelli O’Brien said the practice of families helping provide care to residents is something that has been happening for a long time.

“You would absolutely want to have family involvement in decision making and certainly there are families who come in and continue to do things for their loved ones, such as helping them with their meals,” said Western Health’s vice-president of long-term care and rural health. “We still have staff who are able to care for these residents and who do provide that role. Our staff are working hard as they always do to provide the best care possible.”

O’Brien said the restriction not only applies to visitors, but also to staff who would not be allowed on the unit unless they are involved with patient care there.

She said sick patients are not moved to another area because the facility is considered their permanent home and, because it is nearly 100 per cent occupied, Western Health doesn’t have the ability to move residents from room to room or location to location. She said if a patient was very sick, then they would be isolated in their rooms.

In terms of access during the visitor restriction, O’Brien said it can be arranged in extenuating circumstances, like if a patient’s health is declining or in the case of a special occasion.

O’Brien said staff at the home are willing to meet with and discuss any concerns a family may have and how they can work together.

She said it is difficult to predict how long the visitation restriction will last and, late Wednesday, was awaiting laboratory results to determine if the ban would be lifted. But before that happens, she said, the entire unit will undergo a specialized cleaning.

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    Lisa Payne
    - January 21, 2013 at 12:25:19

    I'm commenting again on this for the "Lisa Payne" out there who has been mistaken for me who is obviously opinionated as well and works at Colemans and went to school with one of you...I don't work at Colemans...never did...and for the record I was never looking for the visitation ban to be lifted for my Mother...where in that article does it say that?...no where...we wanted honest answers and we weren't getting them...those who lied to us or told us what we wanted to hear already know who they are...THOSE people are who I directed my frustrations toward...I take back NOTHING I said...I have no regrets for speaking my mind out of concern for my Mother...and would do it all over again...like I said, the Western Star came to me, I didn't approach them...as for all the comments on a story that has been briefly touched upon in the media...you're all entitled to your opinion...just as I am...happy this is all behind us and we are able to be with our Mother in a place that SHE pays for...the rest of the story is none of anyone's business...if we feel we WANT to spend every hour there with her then that's our right...I don't care about anyone else in LTC...they have their own families if they're lucky like my Mom...my only concern is her and my family...thank you again to the Western Star and CBC radio for wanting to hear the human side...yes human side of this story...maybe the ones at LTC who know who they are, will think twice before giving families the run around and disrespect that was uncalled for...opinions from strangers who don't know what or WHO they're talking about has been entertaining to say the least but totally irrelevent...to the "Lisa" out there who has been mistaken for me, my apologies for being the target of this drama....

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    Disappinted
    - January 20, 2013 at 18:52:24

    It's completely understandable that this woman should be concerned about her mother during the ban (as I am sure most people who are affected by it are). But I'm kind of suprised that the Western Star even published this. It seems as though they are taking this woman's claims that the work done by employees at the LTC centre is all but lacking. She makes claims that she "wouldn't leave her mother alone with the kind of care they provide" but she doesn't even elaborate on those claims. I'm disappointed that the reputation of LTC and its employees are smeared here without a second thought.

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    Health Care Employee
    - January 19, 2013 at 17:45:38

    Lisa, you're being unfair toward the staff at CBLTC, they provide great care to everyon'es love one and in my opinion anyone who complains about the care is guilty, each and everyone who has a love one in long term care because they could not provide for them at home, therefore you could not give one on one nursing, but expect the staff to do so. I supppor the staff at LTC and would not hesistate to have them care for my love one, noone has a right to complain when they cannot keep them at home, yes families work, and have a life while their love one is in LTC and provided care that family cannot, so the care the receive is good better than what those who tend to complain about the staff, never supporting the staff for caring for their love one when they cannot, My hat goes off the the staff for the care they provide, maybe before Lisa or anyone else complains just think that they cannot and do not provide 24 hour care to their love one and think about the other Residents who need to be protected from getting sick.

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    blair
    - January 19, 2013 at 12:47:20

    There is an easy solution to this Lisa, take her home until restrictions are lifted. Our father is a resident of a seniors home and that is what we did. It should be no problem for your family with all the time they have available. But don't crap on the staff for trying to do their job.

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    Desmond
    - January 18, 2013 at 13:38:51

    Well, well, well ....... Lisa says her three sisters spend 15 hours a day there then why is she there when there is such a long waiting list for people to get a bed there and where is Lisa ? I feel bad for the staff at the Long term care facility, putting up with this foolishness. The article speaks about bad apples and there is a bad one in every bunch, well thats calling the kettle black ! I bet you that out of all the families that have loved ones in the facility there are also going to be some bad apples for staff and their supervisors to deal with. But they do the best they can, it takes a lot of effort and dedication to work in a healthcare environment. I have some family and friends that work western health and they work hard ! She complains how her sisters do everything for her mother, but Longterm care has a laundry facility, they have house keepers to clean her room, and i'm sure staff is quite capable of changing the bed clothes and as for "being left alone in there with the kind of care they provide" I'm sure that the staff would love to take the extra hour or two to sit with all the residents just to chit chat but work doesn't get accomplished that way. On another note has anyone asked if the three saint sisters if they feel the same way or in that matter how Mrs. Davis feels ? Did Lisa ever stop to think how this could impact her mother in a negitive way? She says " I call in and a hour later my sister will call in and they're telling us two different things" hey alot can change in an hour , life is unpredictable . I'll conclude with this note of thanks to the Longterm care nursing staff, I don't have a loved one in the facility but I have many friends that do ( one on the forth level ) and the staff is great and professional. Don't let this discourage you in anyway , just work your hardest and leave work with your head held high for a job well done !

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    Sister of a PCA
    - January 18, 2013 at 08:26:28

    Lisa, if your sisters have 15 hours a day to give to your mother, take her home. Someone with little or no family need that bed, not your mother. Not all PCA's and nurses are the same. They do their best and work hard to take care of people like your mom. I know your mom wants more than anything, for your sisters to look after her. I had a father who would only let me change his sheets and my mother wash him for 10 weeks while he was in hospital! I also know if there were a visitation ban, we would respect that. You are disrectful and you deserve to be personally banned from the unit! I wouldn't expect to get any smiles or kind words from any one working at the LTC ever again!

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    Just saying
    - January 18, 2013 at 05:35:36

    Give the woman a break...for goodness sake. Because she is overwhelmed by the fact that her and her sisters cannot get to their mom and provide the special love and care that no health care provider can give, no matter how good they are; do you think this women deserves this abuse. You say, take her mom home. PEOPLE!!!! Her mother is disabled and cannot speak and these people do have families of their own as well as going to care for their mom. I for one would have the same reaction if it were my mother in the same situation. With the amount it cost the elderly person to live in such a facility, one would think there would be a private nurse for every patient. Just saying. Stand your ground for the people you love Lisa.

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    Desmond
    - January 18, 2013 at 00:50:17

    Well, well , well ..... Wondering with all the praise that Lisa is giving her three sisters , where are they with a mouth full of comments? Do they feel the same way ? Does her mother ? And don't LTC have the proper staff to wash the clothes, the rooms and her mother ? I mean come on , if you are not happy about the way she is treated , why do you have her there? I'm sure there are many people who really need that bed much more . Especially if she already has her now personal staff with her for 15 hours a day. I feel bad for the staff at Long term care, seems like no one has taken the time to speak on their behalf. I'm sure the staff that was hired for Long term care was done so for a reason, it takes a lot of hard work and commitment to do nursing and I'm sure they don't always get a thank you or a pat on the back but as any place that you work the first little negative of something not done perfect or to the spefications of one person who has a BIG opinion then it's all up in the media. In conclusion , I want to thank the staff for their dedication to their careers, don't let it get you discourged, just work your hardest and at the end of the day you can walk away knowing that you did your best. I don't have a family member in there but I have friends that do , and they are all pleased with the treatment their loved ones are receiving . Keep up the good work !

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    spencer
    - January 18, 2013 at 00:09:50

    I'm proud of you lisa , good for you standing up for your mother and your sisters,looks like a lot of people can't handle the truth , and I'm glad the truth has finally come out.

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    Food For Thought
    - January 17, 2013 at 22:56:40

    Ms. Payne when products are low on the shelves at Colemans do customers condemn you or the store. Just stop and think. You can only work with what you got. After doing the math with 10 children at 15 hours a day that is 150 hours a week you should change professions- leave Colemans and start a Home Care Program. You owe the staff of the LTC facility an apology. They work to their best ability to do what they can for your mother and the other 30 residents there.

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    Jesse White
    - January 17, 2013 at 21:31:53

    Enough is enough. I think Lisa Payne gets the jest of the barbs thrown her way. Hindsight is foresight people. Give her a break... she made an honest mistake writing to the Western Star. Something tells me she regrets what she has done and believes. Best of luck Lisa

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    Travis White
    - January 17, 2013 at 21:10:11

    If I have remembered it correctly wasn"t Lisa Payne's mother in ICU and 3rd floor stroke unit at WMRH? I do remember seeing her mother there. My father was up there the same time. Come to think of it why am I not surprised she is still at it? You give your true colors away my dear. Best you think not of yourself but of others also. Remember its influenza.. It kills.

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    one of those
    - January 17, 2013 at 20:33:41

    Miss Lisa. I would like you and your two sisters to take the care you provide for your mother, and then do it for 15 other people. Oh, and don't forget to medicate them, and hand deliver and set up all their trays, respond to emergency situations, change dressings, do necessary paper work...etc, etc, etc. Until you have worked in a particular field, I do not think you are in any position to judge.

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    jane doe
    - January 17, 2013 at 19:42:22

    She says that her sisters provide everything for her like feeding her , washing her, cleaning her room, changing her bed, doing her laundry and taking her out of bed but when a staff member asks if they want any help they very politely say "no I can do that, don't worry about it ." It is their choice to do all of that , because they don't have any patience to wait for staff to help because they want it done NOW ! the LTC does eveyone eles laundry and staff are quite capable for taking care of all of her other needs, but the main concern of the staff is the care that they provide for EVERYONE and not just Lisa's mother....THAT IS ALL...

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    Marble
    - January 17, 2013 at 18:53:12

    Ms Payne, you can't suck and blow at the same time. If you and your sisters are unhappy with the level of care that this health care facility is providing to your mother and you are spending 15 hours a day providing the care that you think your mother deserves, then remove her from the facility and bring her home...or hire a private health care professional to care for your mother as needed. Your mother deserves nothing less.

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    Dave Taylor
    - January 17, 2013 at 18:34:49

    So sad. I feel sorry for you Lisa. Not seeing the forest for the trees. Never satisfied. What makes you any different from others at the Long Term Care building? You do understand what the restrictions are for right? Or is this show for you? Do tell us.

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    Manny
    - January 17, 2013 at 18:24:21

    Not to insult, but truly sorry that you feel this way. However, staff go all day, they are not aloud to clutter around the nursing station... they work. Your mother wasnt stated to have dementia or Alzheimers so i;m sure she understood the bad was a health priority, not to shut you and you're sisters out. But if its possible to put in 15 hrs a day with her, and you're not even a bit satisfied with her care (usually they are asked quiet often is they are in need of something) then why would you suffer through all this and keep her there.... another family would be much more appreciative to not have to take time off work or whatever the case may be, to care for their loved one. A lot of people have many misconceptions about the work that is done with our elderly. There are typically 31 residents and 8 staff members, 3 lpns 3 pca another pca that leaves at 12 and a rn that goes between both sides. they do as much as possible to care for those residents, it takes a special person to miss childrens birthdays and such to care for someone elses loved one, and to do all the duties included. Its just not right for you to diss them in doing that. However, you are free to speak you;re mind, but insulting the workers isnt the way to go about it. There are always bad apples, true, ones who hate their job, or do a rushy job, but there are also bad apples with families... i dont think every family member in that building would have the same perception as you.

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    Dave Taylor
    - January 17, 2013 at 18:11:10

    So sad. I feel sorry for you Lisa. Not seeing the forest for the trees. Never satisfied. What makes you any different from others at the Long Term Care building? You do understand what the restrictions are for right? Or is this show for you? Do tell us.

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    Lisa Payne
    - January 17, 2013 at 17:40:55

    The Western Star came looking for me... maybe I'll post some pictures of the state my mother's room was left in when we got there today... every single word I said was true but the truth hurts sometimes... we will never leave our mother stranded in a facility such as this... and yes they lied to us that is a fact... we live in a democratic country where freedom of speech is a right we are granted... I've enjoyed reading all comments because everyone else has the right to their opinion too... and no I never feel guilty because I have a clear conscience...I speak what's on my mind and deal with the consequences that come with it... thank you again Western Star for your interest in my story... it certainly got a lot of people going and I can take it as well as give it when I'm standing up for someone...ESPECIALLY my Mother.

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      OK
      - January 17, 2013 at 18:26:40

      Let's not making this a match of what people do or do not do! Yes people do spend time in a dirty diaper....you try havin sick residents with only one other staff member on night shift...there are days you have to pick your priorities...but all our goals are the same to give the best possible care we can and with cuts getting greater and greater workloads get greater and greater then frustration and anger takes over and somewhere along the line we forget...It's suppose to be all about the residents...they don't get better and walk out of there...this is suppose to be there GOLDEN YEARS... looks pretty black to me!

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      unknown
      - January 17, 2013 at 21:21:01

      Yes there are not so good apples among LPNS, PCAS, BN/RNS,But no matter which company or profession one works in there will always be some of those bad apples!!! Myself and many others im sure would love to know why you Ms. Payne dont just take your mother home??? You stated several times over the few daysthat your sisters have to do everything for her anyway, beacause nursing staff, house keeping staff, lanudry staff obviously can't meet your families very high standards. Im not saying LTC is perfect, obviously its not, because it is being runned by humans. Humans that admit they make mistakes but still do the best they can do with the staff numbers they have. There are many days im sure staff wishes they had more time to spend with these residents to do cares or even to sit with them. Which they could probably do if family members like yourself didnt waste their time calling in every hour just to compare stories with your siblings. It's clear you don't really know what consist of a nurses 12 hour day, which constist of 31 residents not just one or your wouldnt be constantly whinning to the public and on facebook about how awful our LTC is....I may be wrong but i do believe you have the same right to take your mother home has you did to put her in LTC. Just something for you to think about....Now for staff hats off to you all for doing the best that you can do, keep it up.

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      anonymous
      - January 18, 2013 at 02:15:47

      Lisa, this is to funny for words. You are so concerned about your mother that you and your family HAVE to come in for 15hr a day to provide basic care such a feeding, washing and dressing etc. Yet, when you retaliate against some of the comments, your biggest voiced concern is that the room is in a mess after a week. Maybe the staff were to busy taking care of the elderly residents with life threatening influenza to make sure the room was tidied up before you got there. I figured your biggest concern would be that she was in a deplorable state, considering she had no family members visiting for a week.

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    brenda park
    - January 17, 2013 at 17:23:06

    All I have to say is grow up Lisa, if you feel that your mom is not getting the proper care, then maybe you should bring her home where you can care for her 24.hours a day. I know people that works there and they do not stop from the time they go in until the time they leave. How would you feel if your mother got influenza by someone coming to the hospital. I think it time that you worry more about what best for your mom, than shitting on the staff for doing their jobs. People like you have nothing better to do with their time, but to complain. Grow up my dear and get a life,

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      jenny
      - January 17, 2013 at 18:21:22

      Are you kidding me Brenda, Grow up? You obviously don't have a heart, I believe the elderly deserves the respect and being taken care of properly,, would you want your mother treated like this, I think Lisa needs to tell you to GROW A Heart!!!!

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    winnie
    - January 17, 2013 at 16:30:03

    I will tell you one thing i have a sick husband that has breathing problems and if he get this flu it will take a bad toll on him .......Lisa my love you need to stop complaining, and why are your sisters taking care of your mom why arn't you helping... if they know more about her why are you the one in the western star...just looking for attention thats all i have a few family members who are PCA and LPN and they are great care givers. Just because of a few bad apples you have to call them all down I'm sure with the 15 hrs a day your sisters are putting in you could take her home and look after her ...aww but that would interfere with your freedom

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    Ron
    - January 17, 2013 at 16:12:09

    What is this lady thinking? Expose reidents and the staff that care for them to a virus that is running rampant in the community? Someone healthy who hardly shows any flu like symptoms could possible transmit that virus to someone who is not 100% healthy and therefore not able to combat the bug. This may lead to more dire health issues for the residents and staff. Long term care centers do not have staff or space to move infected residents so family can visit. They have this ban on not to keep the flu virus from getting out, but from getting in. Come on think.

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      Worker
      - January 17, 2013 at 16:42:41

      I am a worker of the LTC. I see alot of neg and pos comments. Here's my opinion...We are understaffed and run off our feet most days. FAMILY helps alot and yes we give the very best care we can....you can only wash or feed one person at a time so if your number 11 on the list that morning...well chances are your not getting your morning wash til after lunch...which starts at 11:30. So by Lisa and or sisters providing there moms care that leaves time to try and get someone else washed and up! And heaven forbid someone get sick...then time really gets away on you! I see the need for most families...notice I said most! There is alot to bed said for the great staff that do the very best they can! But there's alot of good families that really help out too!

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    Wow
    - January 17, 2013 at 15:51:29

    Wow, is all I can say!! Lisa, like it was said before...why not take your mother home if she is not getting the care that you can provide for her, leave that bed your mother is taking up for a person that actually NEEDS the bed and the help of the nurses. Just remember while you have 4 caring for JUST your mother, the nurses are caring for 31...big difference I do believe! I just laugh, you seem to forget that while a nurse is working a 12hr shift taking care of YOUR loved one, someone else is taking care of THEIR loved one.....while you get to sit at home with your kids or spouse when they are sick....the nurses cannot. And holidays, shame that all the nurses cannot get to stay home xmas morning or any other holiday...but NO because the sick and our seniors STILL need care on those days as well. I know it is deff a nurses "job" that brings them there but I can tell you it takes a special person to be able to meet the needs of a senior...NOT everyone is cut out for the demands of this job or what the duties include. Please also remember that this is a BAN to protect everyone, even YOUR love ones at home, Lisa!

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    LTC LPN from years ago....
    - January 17, 2013 at 15:42:36

    OMG.....I am astounded by some of these replies...especially the ones about how the residents are treated. I do not believe for one minute that they are not being cared for. I worked in LTC for many many years and never ever saw any neglect. I dearly loved working with our elderly and did a damn good job doing so. I took pride in my caregiving as "most" do. I think if such nasty statements are being made those that make them should be willing to back up their statements and give proof....I somehow doubt they will be able to produce any. Staff in LTC ( as well as in Acute Care) work really hard and should be given the honour they deserve. I still work in health care just in a different role now but I still see the hard working staff on a daily basis.

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    Mel Hutchings
    - January 17, 2013 at 15:41:59

    Remember Lisa Paynes face. The next time you see her at Colemans.. ask politely.. "Did you wash your hands before you left the LTC after being given special treatment. Ask her how Influenza is spread and has she ever seen a 35 year old woman die from influenza in Intensive care. My sister died from it. It can effect anyone especially those who already have medical problems. I hope you sleep well Lisa.

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    Tax Payer
    - January 17, 2013 at 14:57:26

    she said her family provides care for her mother for about 15 hours per day, then why don't they take her home to care for her! why is she using up a long term care bed if the staff are so uneducated and not capable of looking out to her, they are there for 15 hours out of the day anyway, take her home then! problem solved. this family has nothing better to do then complain! makes me sick! don't you people realize what our nursing professionals do in a 12 hour period! don't get me wrong, there are bad apples out of every bunch, and out of every job! However, give nurses credit where credit is due! there is a visitation ban for a reason people! do anyone care about the nursing staff who have to work there and then take home germs to their families?? small children?? get a grip my love and take your mother home if u can do better!

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    Jane Doe
    - January 17, 2013 at 14:54:58

    This artical infuriates me. Think of the health and well being of every other resident/staff member in the building. This ban is put in place to protect the health of everyone YOUR family included. I assure you your mother is being cared for and treated the same as every other resident in the building. No one is starving to death or lying in drity diapers like people seem to preceive. Visitor bans are frustrating to say the least, but they are put in place for a reason!!!!!

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    Allie
    - January 17, 2013 at 14:53:02

    I think Lisa has a few good points ...i have heard from PCA them selves that the care in there is unreal patients left in dirty diapers crying and crying just for a drink all that the staff do in there is huddle around talking about there up coming Cuba trip or what they are going to have for lunch.....i stand with Lisa i was going to do PCA and then decided against it i am sorry there are a few and i say that lightly a few good staff but please start getting a little compassion back and stop waiting just for payday

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      anonymous
      - January 18, 2013 at 01:47:02

      Allie, I was just wondering, when you are at your place of employment do all of the conversations you have with your co-workers revolve around work? Do you ever discuss with your co-workers upcoming vacations, lunch dates or functions with children? I don't understand why it is looked down upon when nursing staff are overheard talking about topics that arn't related to work. They have lives outside of work as well. Then again, I guess their time should be better spent getting the poor, elderly, crying resident a drink or changing their dirty diaper. I have to say some of these comments are ludicrous. I would advise you to get your information straight before talking about a topic you clearly know nothing about!!! BTW...I also have a relative in the same institution, and on the same floor that Lisa is talking about and I have never seen anything but respect, care and compassion shown to them...Maybe it was payday.

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    Really?
    - January 17, 2013 at 14:10:39

    I can't even believe that this article was published by the Western Star. Visitor restrictions occur to maintain the safety and health of the patients and the visitors. The staff are more than qualified to take care of Ms. Payne's mother and its horrible that she is implying that they cannot. If they do not believe their Mother is receiving good care, then they should take her into their home and care for her privately with the help of home care. Then at least the bed could be used for someone else who would not bring shame to the hardworking and dedicated staff.

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    Shawn Doody
    - January 17, 2013 at 13:56:11

    Is anyone surprised that Lisa Payne went to the Western Star? You know Lisa.. you haven't changed even since high school. You remember .. don't you? Stop your ranting..we are talking about influenza.. not a common cold. Think girl...... influenza can cause death.

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    Peter
    - January 17, 2013 at 13:51:30

    My grandfather died from the same thing while in the hospital. People show stay home when they are sick. Turns my guts to think about people actually walking into a health care facility to visit someone while they are ill themselves and potentially causing spreading the disease. You see this all the time with kids in daycare when one is sick they all get it. Shame on you Lisa.

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    Michelle Penny
    - January 17, 2013 at 13:27:36

    Lisa Payne you are insensitive to all the others in the LTC. How would you feel if the visitation was lifted and your mother contacted influenza? What happens when one person who has influenza decides to visit knowing full well that it could endanger someone who is elderly? You are self centered and only see your problem and not the population at the LTC center as a whole. My husband has bronchitis and asthma. And because of influenza he developed breathing problems and had to be put on a weaner machine.They had no beds in ICU in Corner Brook. ..they flew him to the HSC. They are doing the right thing up there at the LTC. It has nothing to do about your care your mother is being given during the restrictions its about you complaining because things are not going your way. Just pray that your mother doesn't get the flu from someone.

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    Tammy
    - January 17, 2013 at 12:20:37

    Its sad to see how thess folks are treated...There left in dirty diapers for hours on end!! I use to volunteer but gave up...I coukdnt sleep at night because of the abuse!! Just terrible :-(

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    Mary Ann Hackett
    - January 17, 2013 at 11:11:19

    My mother is in the LTC. The hospitlal is doing the right thing by instituting visitation restrictions. Lisa Payne you are complaining.Its not about your mother. its about you feeling guilty because you dont have the normal visitation rules in place. The staff are quite capable of taking care of your mother.. Relax. And you are calling the people who take care of your mother.. liars. Geta a grip on the dangers of Influenza. One wonders about your emotional well being when you have to stoop so low to report to the Western Star.

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      Edward Smith
      - January 17, 2013 at 12:06:33

      Three cheers to Lisa Payne for speaking up. Many of us who have or who had a parent living in the old Inter-Faith Home have gone through the same anxiety when we could not visit our family member due to a ban on visitation. Regarding the comment from Mary Ann Hackett, does anyone know what she means when says "you have to stoop so low to report to The Western Star.." ? So when did expressing an opinion become stooping so low..? The new LTC was built with the public's money and is operated using the public's money. The building belongs to the people of the province. We have a right to express an opinoin about it any time we chose.

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    Jerry Marche
    - January 17, 2013 at 10:55:11

    After reading this article I have come to the conclusion that some just are thinking of themselves. After my 60 year old mother passed away in ICU from the H1NI at WMRH I learned a lot. My mother with COPD, diabetes was at higher risk to becoming seriously ill from influenza. I watched her over a month period slowly die on a ventilator. Her kidneys gave out. They tried dialysis. She developed something called ARDS.Thank God the doctors and nurses kept her comfortable the whole time. Sorry Lisa Payne but the truth doesn't lie. Your mother will not die from visitations restrictions and she may have temporary loneliness not seeing all the family... but at least she will live.. not die... like my mother. Every day I visited my mother in ICU. There were others on a ventilator and I overheard one family complain about having to wearing masks to prevent the spread of the virus. I think you should offer a public apology. in this paper .. for one thing... not listening carefully when people tell you why they are implementing restrictions on visitations. And I hope to God you never have to experience what my family had to endure when my mother was in ICU.

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    Shawn
    - January 17, 2013 at 10:18:46

    After reading this article, It seems the biggest problem is not the visitor ban but the level of care these people are getting at that facility. I think it's a sad situation when the family must rely on their own for the basic care of a person in a government run long term care facility. Not that we should not be responsible for our own family, but we, the tax payers foot the bill for this place and can't even rely on staff there to care for these people. I think it's high time that we demand our Government open the books on places like this so we can see where our tax dollars are going and who exactly is being paid to do what.

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    John Decker
    - January 17, 2013 at 10:14:02

    Lisa Payne.. you have gone WAY overboard on the situation. You basically are calling the staff liars in response to your phone calls. Give your head a shake. If anything you should need to do some research on why the elderly are at so great of a risk when it comes to influenza. Instead of complaining best you thank the people who are instituting proper precautions to prevent the spread of Influenza. Shame on you. You are just another minority family member who thinks about themselves instead of the whole community living at the LTC. I smell a wolf in sheep's clothing.

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    Betty Crocker BN MSN RN
    - January 17, 2013 at 09:41:48

    Lisa Payne says, "“I call in, an hour later my sister will call in and they’re telling us two different things,” she said. “They’re not providing us with the truth." Basically your calling them a liars. Right? Get a grip on the situation. Whats better? Your 85 year old grandmother on a ventilator with the whole family at the bedside saying prayers or a short time with visitations restrictions to eradicate the ILI. There is always a a family (small minority) who just dont like the rules. Instead of shooting from the hip.. best education yourself about Influenza and and the repercussions for the elderly. And I hope for your grandmothers sake she has a DNR statute on her chart for her well being. But my guess is you are deciding whats best for your grandmother instead of letting her make her own decisions. I take from your going to the Western Star a little bit of guilt? Nice picture of you and your Grandmother on a better note. Cheers. PS... Anyone willing to thumbs up for me on this rant?

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      R
      - January 17, 2013 at 13:53:41

      The story is about her mother. Actually read the article before you start flipping out at someone. You look like a moron, as usual.

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    Nursey
    - January 17, 2013 at 09:34:24

    "Kind of care they provide in there"?? What is that supposed to mean? That the staff at the long term care centre provide inadequate care for residents? I hope this lady (and everyone else) realized that visitor bans are in place to protect YOUR family and loved ones from getting influenza, which can be life threatening, especially in elderly people. A visitor ban doesnt make our lives as staff any easier either - bans mean upset familes, upset patients and more phone calls from family members who cant visit. Visitor bans are not put in place to punish anyone. Theyre put in place for medical reasons, to protect patients and their families. I believe this woman really needs to take a step back and look at the bigger picture

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