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‘Stand up and fight’ against cemetery rules, says petitioner

Helen Caravan, creator of the Mount Patricia Cemetery petition, continues to collect signatures. 
— Photo by Jeremy P. Smith

Helen Caravan, creator of the Mount Patricia Cemetery petition, continues to collect signatures. — Photo by Jeremy P. Smith

Published on December 18, 2010
Published on December 17, 2010
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Mount Patricia Cemetery Association

CORNER BROOK  Helen Caravan says people are reluctant to sign the petition against the Mount Patricia Cemetery’s one item per gravesite policy because they are frightened of the workers and the committee.

“A lot of people seem to be afraid,” said Caravan. “There is nothing to be afraid of. We’ve got to stand up and fight for what we believe in.”

The Mount Patricia Cemetery Association is being criticized for enforcing the rule, and is being accused of taking and burning items that were placed on graves.

The petition calls for the end of these rules and to remove the person in charge, Art Dawe, the chairperson of the association. It has been in circulation since Nov. 20.

Caravan says the cemetery is not properly administered. 

“For people who volunteer over there, they’ve done all the wrong things,” she said.

Caravan has put the petition in local stores, and people have been signing it.

She has spoken to a lot of people over the problem and says people are still angered over the unresolved issue, concerning the people’s belongings.

“I talked to a gentlemen who is very upset,” she said. “He wants to go over there and dig up his family member.”

She has more than 300 signatures on paper and 28 members on a Facebook page, “Mount Patricia Cemetery (Have a Look).”

Caravan has also written letters to MP Gerry Byrne’s office as well as members of the clergy.

The letter states: “There was never a problem having the crosses and angels on the headstones before, and to take everything off loved ones’ graves and throw them away like they were nothing is very upsetting ... I am not going to stop until the person in charge is gone ... What gives the workers or the one that runs the cemetery the right to take away from us ... We (the people) have every right to put crosses and ornaments on our loved ones’ graves.”

Caravan says she will present the petition in the new year to the members of the cemetery committee. She wants people to join her on that day.

Meanwhile, Dawe said it would be too difficult and dangerous to leave items on the graves during the winter season because the items cause a hazard.

“If people want to change the committee, it is completely up to the people,” he said.

“A lot of times we can’t get people to fill the positions,” he said.

“If people think they can do a better job, then by all means move in there.”

Dawe also said the cemetery has hundreds of people backing the committee.

“I accept everyone’s opinion ... we’re there to help, we’re there to support people.”

Dawe says the committee will handle the petition when it is presented. 

“Because one person doesn’t agree with something and starts a petition that doesn’t necessarily make it right.”

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    Rod Lyver
    - December 19, 2010 at 23:45:54

    Jack, you write most of your comments condemning the City of Corner Brook and now you want them to take over the grave yard? You obviously know something more than the residents of Corner Brook. Please enlighten us.

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    tt
    - December 19, 2010 at 14:04:36

    Theres too much junk lying around over there......cmon people, rules are rules.......What gives Helen Caravan the right to say the rules are wrong and need changing??? 300 names and 28 facebook members....looks like people dont care.......What does she really want? The right to go put up a 50 foot light display? Or have 50 different plastic angels???? Some people just want too much.....

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    Susan
    - December 18, 2010 at 22:32:28

    I personally find it upsetting to see all the clutter around other graves when I go to see my family plots. I do not put things like fake flowers, dolls, lights, etc by their headstones for 2 reasons: It's tacky. And after a little bit of time, it gets all dirty, run down, and looks like gargabe. No wonder they threw out all that stuff... it looked like crap. In my opinion, show respect for your loved one and other people who go to the graveyard. A nice flower or two is more respectful to everyone. This is just my opinion.

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    Karen Shiels
    - December 18, 2010 at 19:22:17

    Why not have those who put the items there, be the ones who bring them home during winter months!! If it is a vase that can be attached to the headstone it could be there from April - til Oct. If it's angels, or what ever, considering these this are not cheap by any means. they can be removed before winter as suggested above. How much do these plots go for anyway? and maybe those names on the petition can be involved with the committee, next time they revamp it ( how ever that is done). In order to keep an eye on how the committe runs in the first place. Or maybe have City Hall have forms available to those who want to put an item on a grave site, in which they have a description of the item and who to contact IF THE ITEM becomes a problem or blows over in the wind, or whatever problem may arise. Then the person who put it there can be responsible for the item placed. Karen

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      ted
      - December 20, 2010 at 16:50:56

      karan i paid over nine hundred dollars for the plot thats ten years now */they are over thousand dollars some people tell me now.just to let you know.

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    ted
    - December 18, 2010 at 17:10:42

    i do think people should have all things of the graves way before the snow comes but the workers should not take the things on the graves and beat them up and throw them away.*my wife is buried there and i take things of the grave when i see it in the newspaper in the fall of the year.it cost to much for those thing on the graves to be beat up and thrown away*everthing looks so beautiful in the summer time there/ the people that works there keep it nice and clean*

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      Lenora Gough
      - December 21, 2010 at 07:59:18

      In Benoit's Cove where I am from, we do not have these regulations. As I was at the cemetary the other day to bury my mother, I thought of those who might go to visit THEIR mother at Mount Patricia and find all the special things they left for them destroyed. I just can't imagine...I feel fortunate that I will not have to deal with that

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    Jack
    - December 18, 2010 at 09:13:15

    In the case of cemeteries, the best solution for Corner Brook is for the city to take over Mount Patricia's cemetery from local church groups. Furthermore, the Newfoundland and Labrador Government should pass a law banning churches (all Christian denominations such as Roman Catholic, Episcopal/Anglican, Pentecost, United, Salvation Army, and Anabaptist), synagogues (all Jewish denominations such as Modern Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform), mosques (Sunni and Shia Islam), and other religious groups from owning cemeteries so that what happened at Mount Patricia and its one item policy or Interfaith Cemetery of Carbonear heartless "no third burial plot" policy will never happen again. Cemetery ownership should be a town or city responsibility, but still exempt from property taxes.

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    B in Corner Brook
    - December 18, 2010 at 08:40:01

    I have loved ones buried at Mt.Patricia. I also know some of the members of the board. However, there are two sides to every storey. When you purchase a plot there you are given a set of rules that you have agreed to by purchasing the plot.. The problem is most never read the terms of the purchase. They have been in place for good reason and have been there for years. It is much like owning property in Corner Brook you can't just go out and do what you want to your home without following regulations as what you do can have a negative effect on your neighbour's home. I don't agree with the burning of the items. But I do think that the personal attacks on the committee being uncaring and cold stop. They care more than you know which is why they "volunteered" for committee in the first place. People should take a step back for a moment and think.

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    melvena brake
    - December 18, 2010 at 07:56:16

    I certainly think there is more then one person who doesn't agree with how the items were handled at the cemetary.And if you are responsible Art Dawe in throwing away these items then shame,shame on you.we should certainly throw you out with what you think is trash..It is sickening to see what you workers have done with the items.you all obviously do not have a sentimental bone in your body or you would not have went along with destroying the property of others and stripping the grave sites of the mementos.You people should be in court.I'd say lets go to the cemetary and fill it with all the items again and put some sunshine back in this place.thank-you Helen for not giving up on this one.Keep Up The Fight,

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