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Last updated at 12:17 AM on 31/10/09  

Finance minister says power deal ‘major mistake’ print this article
DEER LAKE
KATHERINE HUDSON
The Western Star

If he was in a situation like New Brunswick, Tom Marshall says he would never sell provincial assets to Quebec.

“I think it’s a major mistake personally,” the Finance minister said. “I would never sell, and insist that we remain the owners our own resources. I would never give them away.”

Marshall says Newfoundland and Labrador learned its lesson in giveaways, outlining the deal for wood with the predecessor of Abitibi in the early 1900s, and the “very bad” electricity deal with Hydro-Québec through the Upper Churchill contract.

“No more giveaways,” he told The Western Star. “These are our resources and they have to be developed to benefit our people.”

A multi-billion dollar energy deal was drawn up this week between Hydro-Québec and New Brunswick Power whereby Hydro-Québec would own most of the assets of NB Power and attain the strategic geographic position bordering the northeastern United States.

New Brunswick’s population would benefit from lower rates, reduce its provincial debt and allow the province to quickly develop as an energy hub. More than 370,000 customers would be affected by the agreement.

Newfoundland and Quebec are no strangers to energy arguments, with heated fights building over the decades since the Upper Churchill contract of 1969. Presently, Newfoundland is attempting to develop the Lower Churchill project. To make that come to fruition, Marshall says there needs to be a market.

“With the Upper Churchill, when that was to be developed, we wanted to export the electricity through Quebec and sell it into Ontario and the United States markets,” he said. “Quebec wouldn’t allow it … They insisted on buying the power from us and then they resold it to the Americans on the other end.

“The power stations are in Newfoundland and Labrador and they’re really taking advantage of us. It’s an unconscionable contract.”

In finding the right agreement for the Lower Churchill, Marshall says the province will only go through Quebec if it’s a good deal.

“So we’ve now applied to use Quebec’s wires and they’re delaying us and blocking us,” he said. “With the Lower Churchill, we’re now looking at going through what used to be called the Anglo-route, instead of going through Quebec. We’ll go around. We’ll bring it over the straits over to Newfoundland.

“That way, power is provided for the people here. Then, down near Port-aux-Basques, move it over to Nova Scotia,” he said.

Marshall said the province’s intent was to go through Nova Scotia, into New Brunswick and down into the northeastern United States.

“Now, through this move, by taking over NB Power, we think they’re blocking our access,” he said. “... Now we have to look at going entirely through Nova Scotia and then underwater again and that just adds tremendously to the cost,” said Marshall. “Hydro-Québec fight us every step of the way. They delay. They make it very, very difficult. Now, the technology is there for us to go around underwater and now they’re going to attempt to block us that way as well.

“They’re doing these things to prevent us from developing our own resources and selling those resources into the market that’ll pay us a fair return,” he said.

31/10/09  


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David from NL writes: I'll tell you what a major mistake is.....to have isolated this province politically from any and every possible ally in this country that might have come to our aid on this. Thanks Danny!

When it finally gets to hot for you here (and its coming, as sure as the sun rises), enjoy writing your memoirs in Florida.
Posted 31/10/2009 at 9:51 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment
Allie from N.B. writes: This is a sell out for the people of New Brunswick also. Our power rates will not go down one cent... They propose a freeze for five years and then no one knows what will happen. I have worked in KnobLake Lab. {Schefferville PQ}
I know how Quebec was then and I also know how Quebec is now... They will have the eastern provinces right where they want. UNDER THEIR THUMB...
Posted 31/10/2009 at 10:08 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment
Great Scott from Corner Brook, NL writes: Whoa!!!!!! STOP THE PRESS!!!!! Um I'm not exactly an Economist or a Commodity expert I simply read the news.

While we have all been in complete hysteria over H1N1 and everyone has their fuss and feathers riled up over selling Newfoundland resources to Quebec. There has been a tiny development in central that hasn't caused a blip on the radar.

While your Newfoundland department Natural Resources stands idle and Danny Williams focuses his red faced rants on Quebec and Ottawa this province is projecting an economic future in Oil. Thats right black gold, texas tea.

Oil!!!!!! a world commodity. Danny has spent provincial monies to prospect for oil. He has touted oil as this provinces future.
Unfortunately while he has had his head in the clouds and his attention on some power lines. The future already in the hands of this province has been sold to the KOREANS!!!!!!!!!!

Thats right Newfoundland resources, Canadian Resources sold to the Korea National Oil Corporation.

I am betting the 4 billion dollar price tag was much like buying a bucket of salt beef to the company which reported 2007 revenues as 1.1 trillion dollars.....How many zeroes is that?

Thats right folks Come By Chance......Gone!!!!!!!! Sold by a Calgary based energy company.

What did your Mighty Premiere and all his Ministers and men do about that?
I'll tell you.
Nothing
Nadda
or in the language of our Korean friends Amu-got-do.

Oh by the way, guess who the South Koreans best friends are? The Peoples Republic of China.

If it all wasn't so disasterous it would be comical.
Come by chance
gone by folly
What a bunch of fools!!!!!!!!!
Posted 31/10/2009 at 10:14 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment
john from mj, sk writes: Some people never learn .you would think nb would look at the screwing nl took in the last hydo deal that was around course nb is nothing but a extention of quebec.. what is needed in this country is a big zipper that we can put on the ns border with ont and just close it. and please leave DANNY alone he done more for nl then any other person.
Posted 31/10/2009 at 10:16 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment
Barbara Sawyer from Halifax, Nova Scotia writes: Your readers would be well advised to look at the copy of the agreement between the Quebec government and the government of NB to gain further knowledge on the topic. As of yesterday this was posted on the CBC Maritime Noon (NS) website. The guest experts illuminated some important issues that were not evident at the initial press coverage of the signing of the memorandum of understanding. If that show has been saved and archived I advise people interested in this debate to listen in. Many New Brunswick residents called in. I can only recall one caller who was in favor of the deal. It's not over 'till it's over'.
Posted 31/10/2009 at 11:02 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment
David from NL writes: Great Scott....really? The Come-By-Chance, Should-Never-Have-Been Oil Refinery?

The one that every, sequential owner has subsequently sold for a fire sale price ever since it was built? That one?

Yeah, a real similar energy juggernaut as NB Power, for sure.
Posted 31/10/2009 at 2:23 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment
STOP THE RACKET STOP DANNY WILLIAMS from NL writes: Marshall is only saying what his master Danny Williams has instructed all of his cabinet ministers to say. We all know what happens to anyone who dare have an opinion of their own or question the wisdom of the great Danny. If Danny wasnt such a one man show he could have negotiated with the other premiers. Thats not the way this one man dog and pony show works. The dictator who now apparently hates his job has to be in total controll of every situation. Perhaps the control he has in his political life is a way to compensate for the lack of control he has outside politics in his other life. He has to feed is ego some way or another and unfortunately he is donig it at our expense.
Posted 01/11/2009 at 9:04 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment
Elizabeth A. from Corner Brook, NL writes: Just imagine the gall of someone getting on here and criticizing Premier Danny Williams. And on the Lord's Day to top it all off. You should have your mouth washed out with soap.
Posted 01/11/2009 at 11:32 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment
ABCD Anyone Bit Crazy Danny from NL writes: Lets see....New Brunswick and Quebec actually talked and worked out a deal. Prince Edward Island will probably come on board as well that only leaces Temper Tantrum Danny as the lone hold out. Go it alone Dan. Mr Perfect screws up again. Why am I not surprised?
Posted 01/11/2009 at 4:15 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment
Geeze from Corner Brook, NL writes: Danny Danny he's our man !!! If he can't do it NO ONE CAN!!!! Go Danny Go!! All these Liberal loser comments make me want to vomit!!!
Posted 01/11/2009 at 7:56 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment
Fact Check from NL writes: Fine for Tom Marshall to say what he wouldn't do if he were in New Brunswick, but maybe you should ask him what he would do. New Brunswick Power has a massive debt, and a set of assets they can no longer afford to maintain. They have a nuclear power plant that is crumbling for lack of maintenance, and three of the dirtiest fuel-burning generators around. And, like everywhere in Atlantic Canada, they have an electorate that will never, ever support the necessary rate increases required to stand any chance of fixing the situation. They also have surplus transimission capacity to a hungry power market next door.
But go on, Tom Marshall, please tell us what you'd do.
Posted 01/11/2009 at 8:51 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment
STOP THE RACKET STOP DANNY WILLIAMS from NL writes: Well Geeze dont vomit on my account I am probably as big a PC as you are its the dictator we have as a leader that pisses me off. His arrogance and my way or now way attitude is his trademark. Apparently a lot of people have no problem with that sorry to inform you but I have a big problem with all that. The ego with the mouth called Danny Williams in spite of the many great things he has done will be our downfall. He cant negotiate with anyone they all hate us according to him. Hes perfect everyone else is always wrong. thats not the leader I voted for or the premier I want. He makes me want to vomit.
Posted 01/11/2009 at 9:57 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment
Phoebe Tilley from NL writes: Go back to ambulance chaseing Danny you were much better at that.
Posted 01/11/2009 at 10:06 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment
Gary Ball from NL writes: Tom is an expert on major mistakes so believe what he says. LOL
Posted 01/11/2009 at 11:22 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment
Geeze from Corner Brook, NL writes: to STOP THE RACKET STOP DANNY WILLIAMS ... He is definitely the MAN I voted for. No more GIVE AWAYS like the provincial LIBERALS would do.Right now I am sitting here laughing my guts out because of all you bleeding heart Liberals who would and have given away our assets because it would make you look good to the rest of upper canada .hahaha.Last time I checked FAST CHECK from Nf. that's not our problem. That is a N.B problem.Why are you worrying about N.B.?Shouldn't it be Newfoundland and Labrador FIRST???? I doubt you will find any one in N .B. worrying about N.L. Should we care about N.B? Are U going To Quote : I am my brothers keeper? HAHAHAHAHA
Posted 01/11/2009 at 11:38 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment
Fact Check from NL writes: Geeze - what giveaways are you talking about? The ones that are giving Tom Marshall and Danny Williams hundreds of millions of revenue these days? Hibernia? White Rose? Voisey's Bay?
We have yet to make a penny off anything this current crew has done. Not one red cent. And we probably never will.
Posted 02/11/2009 at 12:26 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment
Chris from NL writes: Fact Check from NL:

Considering we have actually paid back some debt that we have been accumulating since confederation, i think we are doing ok.

Danny never promised golden roads and candy cane light poles, he promised to save a sinking ship.

What he's doing to save our province is what a smart businessman would do to save his business, cut costs where possible, increase revenues and cut down on excessive debt.

Debt should only be used to fuel growth, however we have for the years before Danny used debt to fund touchy feely social projects that last 3 years but we pay for over 20.

Only the uneducated and ignorant can't see what he has done for us and he might not be perfect but he's the best we've had in a long time, and he's better than anyone on the table right now.
Posted 02/11/2009 at 8:16 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment
Mark from ON writes: Chris - I guess you can count me among the ''uneducated and the ignorant''.
Please list one example of this government cutting costs. Anywhere in government. Anywhere at all.
while you're at it, one example of what ''He's doing'' (i.e. ''he, himself'') to increase revenues. Again, anywhere. Show me one penny.
Questioning this government's occasional ludicrous claims does not make someone 'uneducated and ignorant'.
Posted 02/11/2009 at 12:46 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment
Chris from NL writes: Mark:

Well I can mention flowers cove and lewisporte as a cost cut, but of course that got shouted down.

Or the amalgamation of schools in rural newfoundland to reduce administrative costs to the department of education.

The amalgamation of the health boards happened under his government, decreasing admin costs and promoting cost saving synergies.

He cut interest costs by paying down the provincial debt.

As for increasing revenues, he's cut corporate tax rates increasing his tax base by having a more business friendly atmosphere, thereby ultimately increasing personal tax revenues as well as more corporate tax revenues.

He's negotiated an equity stake in our own oilfields and an increased royalty rate from said fields.

He setup Nalcor to provide NL with it's own energy company, thereby increasing the ultimate retention of resource profits.

His government is doing this, not him all by himself. But you vote someone else in and you get a new government.

Danny himself made millions from telecommunications when that was the big money maker. He's business savvy and he's going to make money of the new money maker, energy. He can either make it for himself privately or he can make it for the province, I'd prefer he did it for all of us.
Posted 02/11/2009 at 1:05 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment
Mark from ON writes: Nope - he sacrificed a royalty rate in exchange or an equity stake. Go look it up.
How does setting up Nalcor get us more profits? Quite the contrary, Nalcor cost taxpayers over $500 million last year alone.
Government expenditures are massive today compared to when he took office, by his own admission (see today's Telegram). His payment on the debt was by way of a gift from Ottawa, and every dollar coming in to the provincial treasury is from resource streams that were established before this government was elected.
Interest cost reductions have primarily come from the reduction in interest rates, and the provincial debt is actually higher today than when he took office.
As for reducing corporate tax rates - that has actually reduced government revenues, and there is no growth in the tax base to compensate for it - look at all of the major private sector employers who have actually left Newfoundland in the past 5 years - I challenge you to produce any numbers showing any 'new' significant corporate tax payers in this province, except perhaps Vale Inco, and you know what Danny thinks of that...
Posted 02/11/2009 at 2:48 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment
Chris from NL writes: 1) He was offered a lower royalty rate on new developments in exchange for the equity stake, the royalties are still su bstantially higher than previous agreements

2) Nalcor is an investment, a provincially owned energy company. Look up Aramco or Kuwait to see how nationalized energy companies are good for a political entity.

3) He fought for and gained us that gift $2,000,000,000. Give credit where credit is due, he played hardball and didn't settle for less, like NS did.

4) The debt is coming down from a peak that occured during his time in office, from inherited incompetence and spending programs. Since his government has begun implementing it's own policies, debt has been reduced. In 2008 it went from 12,000,000,000 to 10,000,000,000 and they have stated that any new surpluses will be substantially spent on debt reduction.

5) Reducing corporate tax rates are a proven economic stimulus. It makes it more attractive for companies to set up in NL. Look at the boom in St. Johns and the slew of new companies setting up offices there. Even rolls royce is considering coming here, and Bombardier has pledge to move production here.

6) The mills were going anyways, regardless of anything that could be done except for huge subsidies that would make no sense.I just mentioned Bombardier and Rolls Royce, Vale Inco is another (not negotiated by him however), we have various energy companies here now, Vulcan, NWest. There are dozens of new mining companies in Labrador, the list goes on.

Danny and his government have been great for this province, and they are economically sound of mind. We can't do any better right now, although we can wish they would do better.
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