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| Last updated at 1:53 AM on 04/11/09 |
Ambulance services set to take job action 
CORNER BROOK CLIFF WELLS The Western Star
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| Bob Patten, chair and president of the Provincial Ambulance Operators Executive Board, sits in an emergency vehicle at Reliable Ambulance Tuesday. — Star photo by Geraldine Brophy |
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Bob Patten is hoping to stave off another wave of “blue flu.”
The chair and president of the Provincial Ambulance Operators Executive Board, which represents private ambulance operators in negotiations with the provincial government, says his industry suffered through a period in 2003 when staff called in sick as a form of job action to protest wages set by government.
Paramedics informed several of the province’s private ambulance owners that as of 8 a.m. today they would not provide non-emergency services like transportation. Late Tuesday afternoon, the job action was postponed.
The labour trouble comes in response to the inability of the operators and the province to agree to terms. Paramedics and emergency medical responders have been without a contract since March 31, 2008.
After a year and a half with no raise and no end in sight, paramedics feel the action is necessary.
Patten understands the frustration.
Tuesday afternoon he asked for a couple of more days to get the province to understand the urgency of the situation. He got it.
“Our contract has been up for a year and a half,” Patten said. “All the other unions and associations in government’s employ have been dealt with and they’ve got their contracts and their retro(active pay) and raises and so on, and we’re still trying to get a contract.”
He worked from 6 a.m. Tuesday to get a resolution to the situation and get some time, but he’s not hopeful the situation will be resolved soon.
He met with Treasury Board Oct. 20 and he was expecting an answer one a tentative deal within a couple of days. Monday evening he was told the deal was turned down.
“It put us back to Square 1 after a year and a half, so it’s quite frustrating,” he said. “Then I got a call from the paramedics saying they’re hitting the streets. I had to go deal with that.
“I’m hoping we’re going to get some favourable responses in the next couple of days.”
Iris Park and Kirk Yetman, paramedics at Reliable Ambulance in Corner Brook, were planning a protest at Western Memorial Regional Hospital at 8 a.m. to draw awareness to the problem of the lack of a contract, however they have opted to wait until Friday to make a final decision whether to picket or not.
“This is a last resort for us,” Yetman said. “If we don’t soon do something this could go on for another six months.”
Park said the operators and government have been going back and forth for 18-months and it’s time a deal was done and signed.
“Our problem is we’re not getting what we’re supposed to be getting and we want our raise,” Park said.
She said there’s no union, so it’s difficult for the employees to voice their concerns.
It’s a continuous battle trying to get everything worked out and the paramedics and emergency medical responders are caught in the middle, she said.
“One employer informed his staff if they walked off the job, they could find jobs elsewhere,” she said. “Obviously we’re not getting all the support, but we’re getting support from a majority of services.”
Steve MacKenzie is president of the Newfoundland and Labrador Independent Private Ambulance Operators Association and runs MacKenzie Ambulance Service in Port aux Basques.
He said several of his employees have brought the possibility of action to his attention.
He sympathizes with the employees, but he’s frustrated by the process. He said government has put an additional $6 million in the last two years into ambulance service in the St. John’s area, but no extra funds outside the overpass.
“We’ve been trying to deal in good faith with the government, but for some reason government doesn’t seem to want to deal in good faith,” MacKenzie said. “We’ve come very close to a contract a number of times and every time we get close to what we feel would be a reaonable settlement, the government comes up with other issues, putting clauses in, taking clauses out of the contract language as well as the financial package.
“We’re trying to deal with it, still trying to deal with it and the employees are tired after 19 or 20 months of not having a contract. They want the additional monies that may be available to them and they’re getting impatient.”
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joe friendly from nl writes: Sounds like the medics need a union!!!! Its no wonder their is no deal when you have to rely on your greedy owner/operator to negotiate your deal. Now or never. Solidarity
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| Posted 04/11/2009 at 7:44 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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John from New Brunswick writes: Why is it when we read articles like this about unfare wages and no raise we never read about what they are presently making a year? What does a Paramedic make a year, base salary without OT?
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| Posted 04/11/2009 at 8:30 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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NL Paramedic from Newfoundland writes: Private service paramedics don't make nearly enough. They make between $30,000 to $40,000 a year. Not much for the work they do or compared to hospital based services. Hourly wages for private ranges from $14.00 to around $17.00 an hour. And whats overtime...many private services, if not all do not get overtime.
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mike from Nl writes: John they dont make nearly enough for the service they provide to the public, its true you dont dont become a paramedic for the money you become a pramedic for the love of the work and to help your fellow man, but thats gone on long enough its time they got there pay and respect that they deserve...i think most medics in the private setting start at around 35,000 and go up to around 45,000....ballpark figure somebody correct me if im wrong..
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* from Western, NL writes: I am a Paramedic working for a private service in Western NL. I don't mind saying what I make in order to furthur the discusssion. I dont receive sick days or overtime of any kind. While many rural areas are salaried, I personally am not here in Corner Brook.
I earn 14.50 an hour before tax deductions. I am required to carry a cell phone or pager everywhere, have access to a vehicle at all times and remain in the city on-call for 11 days straight out of 14. I am not paid anything for on-call time, cell or vehicle. (I dont expect to be paid anything for my cell or vehicle). During my 11 days on call i typically work 4 or 5 12-hour shifts, and the remainder of my hours come on a call in basis. A two week period can range anywhere from 75 to 130+ hours; typically around 90 - 100.
So i'll let everyone do the math and figure in tax deductions.
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* from Western, NL writes: To add to my previous comment, there are no increases with experience or time in. And a Paramedic working for a hospital-based service will typically earn about $10 or more per hour more than one in a private service.
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Frustrated from NL writes: $30,160 is what i get for workin a normal 40hr work week that translates to 14.50/hr...NL is the lowest paid paramedics in all of Canada. Its no wonder we are short staffed all across the province when someone could easily go to NB and make 23/hr, or Ontario and make 30+/hr, Nova Scotia 20+/hr. Did you know in Ontario in 1991 paramedics were making 16-17/hr. So that means we are yet to be paid what people were making 18 almost 19 years ago when they were doing less at the time. ....Can you see where the frustration stemming from......
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joe from NL writes: i am also Frustrated with this mess its time that Goverement iron this out onece and for all this system is broke long enought i work for a private service we get $15 an hour for 40hrs no overtime on call 12 days straight may get a couple days off its time we get the respect we deserve and the compsenation to go with it from goverement and the operators fellow paramedics and emrs we are train professionals and they have to have us to operate so lets stand together and fight for respect and better pay etc this time we need to fight for a contract this time that meets our needs not only the operator needs. COME ON BROTHERS AND SISTERS LETS FIGHT THE FIGHT! we have been kick long enought we love what we do or we wouldn,t be doing what we are doing
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D from NL writes: I am a paramedic at a private ambulance service and I earn $14.50/hr. My net income a year based on a 40 hr week is $23,426.
Hey Danny, spare some change?
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pissed from NL writes: Its very frustrating to see the state of the ambulance services of newfoundlancd compared to those of other provinces. Salaries are not nearly what they should be and money is not put in to the system, so that it is run adeuquetly. If you go to any other Province money is put in for advancement of skills and testing of new techniques that would possibly provide better pt outcome. Here a Paramedic is hard pressed to even find the time to be able to go further their training; let alone be able to afford it. This is due to the short staffing of paramedics across the province and a wage hike is the only way to help draw more people into the profession. In a province where the government rightfully set a precedent in finally giving nurses the wage that they are deserved and equal to those of fellow nurses in other provinces; it should now be the template for all healthcare fields....paramedicine included.
For a province that is so proud of being a have province.....their Ambulances are certainly have not.
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In Need of Public Support from N.L writes: Funny how there seems to be no public support for the medics, But the medics are always there for the public. Time for Action!
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Not fooled! from Newfoundland writes: I certainly feel for the people who made the previous comments because I work in this Province also but for a community based servce. Fortunately, our ambulance service has a very good benefits package but we too are dealing with long hours, extended shifts (9 days straight) and of course low wages. I find it very ironic that both of the gentlemen interviewed clearly stated that the paramedics and EMR's have been without a contract for more than 18 months. The contract is between the Operators and Government; that's it! We don't have any say in the negotiation process, Government deals directly with the operators and we have been told that Government cannot tell an operator how much they have to pay their staff.
I think the time is long passed that our Province should look at bringing in a system like that of the other maritime provinces. Lets have one operator so we can sign the union cards and bargain in good faith. The recent attempts by a few services to set up a union have failed, paramedics and EMR's have been fired (YES FIRED) and others have been negotiating for over two years with no end in sight. One service was unionized a few years back but the operator managed to break the union. Unless we have one employer, it is pointless to even consider unionization as a possible solution to this problem.
We are currently moving forward with the Provincial Medical Oversight program (which is driven by government) who is all about patient care. I am too but guess what, without qualified Paramedics and EMR's the patients will not get the quality of care they deserve. I believe that we have the public support but we won't know until it is asked for. A few years back, a group of EMS workers in our area set up an information line at the local regional hospital, we handed out information phamplets and chatted with the public and believe me, we had their support.
It's shameful that the Private Operators are dragging the Paramedics and EMR's into this because most of them are not concerned with us, they just want the big profit for themselves. As far as I am concerned, there should be NO PROFIT in Health Care.
You don't fool me when you say the Paramedics and EMR's have been without a contract. WE HAVE NO CONTRACT!
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to misinformed from n.l writes: we dont get a raise until the owners get their contract. the govt does tell the operators what raise we get. you dont work for a pirvate service so the same does not apply to you, get the facts. the govt already talked about are raise and retro pay. seems to me if you are a medic [and not an operator ]you would be on are side
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Not fooled! from Newfoundland writes: I am certainly on the side of the workers and not an operator. I have been a public advocate for EMS workers here for a number of years and will continue to be. I have a very good understanding of how the EMS system works in this province and I know that some of the private operators, not all, have their own interests priority #1. Whenever we meet with Government, all they would say is (for example) an operator should pay an average of $13.50 /hr. Government has made it quit clear that they cannot dictate to a private business person how much they HAVE to pay their employees. Apparently, there are still some paramedics making less then $13.50 /hr with little or no benefits.
I ask you this question, have you ever had the opportunity to see how much your employer receives for his/her annual operating grant? Do you know how much your employer receives for every kilometer traveled with a PCP or EMR in the rig? If you saw the revenue some of these operators are bringing in and then seen how much profit he/she puts in their own pocket, you may have a little different opinion as to who is informed.
I have been at this for a long time and I know how things work. The only difference in a community based service and a private service is the community based service is not-for-profit. A community based service has all the same operating expenses as a private operator, even full time paid staff.
I feel I am very well informed on the happenings within the EMS system and I have a good handle on how the private operators work - I have very good friends who work for private operators. I would caution you to not believe everything your employer tells you.
Perhaps you are a private operator!
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to misinformed from nl writes: I know the private operators have only thier own interests when they are at the table, but i also know that if the contract doesnt get signed we dont get our raise or retro.This is why we want it to be signed. Sorry for any offense. I hear different figures when it comes to kilos and grants. This might be a good time to make it public if you know the actual amounts.
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frustrated from NL writes: come on operators don,t use us as gini pigs show us what,s in the contract then we can make our own decision if its a could contract or not we all had enought and want to walk but we need to know what we are supporting ,the system needs a operational review to see whats going on .Now is the time for us Paramedics and emrs to stand our ground we need to fight for our own deal not the operators deal.
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Not fooled! from Newfoundland writes: No offense taken,
I understand you are depending on the new contract for a wage increase but how much are you expecting to get? Has your employer indicated or even spoken to you about a raise? That's why I say it's unfortunate that the operators are using the EMS workers to pressure government into more talks. Did government make an offer to the Private Operators negotiation board? I know our association received a good first offer.
Anyhow, I hope we don't have to resort to job action because in the end we are going to get the mud in our face and the private operators will cruise away with the big bucks. Just to be clear, I do acknowledge the good private operators who do care about their employee's.
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An Employee from NL writes: My co workers and i here in corner Brook know what is in it for us, and we have known for months as its been an open topic of discussion with managment, and we are pleased with it, we are always in the loop of whats happening in talks and employees from other services come to us looking for info because they know we always have info for them....i wont get into the percentage of our raise and over how many years because right now thats our business but we know whats on the table.
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PCP 123 from Avalon, NL writes: I, too, are anxiously awaiting a contract... Im sick and tired of making less than 13.50 an hour. No benefits. I am a paramedic in this province, and I have been working in the EMS field almost 5 years now. I think its a kick in the face when you see your other health care friends, nurses for example, get wopping raises, which, dont get me wrong, they def deserve, and we, The forgotton ones of Healh Care, are left standing with the same rate of pay, and no benefits the same as the day I started. Its time for change. We have an important role in health care, and its about time we are recognized and substidized for it.
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