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Routine services withdrawn 
Private paramedics upset government won’t sign contract; minister calls move ‘irresponsible’
CORNER BROOK
CLIFF WELLS
The Western Star
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| Kirk Yetman, right, organized a protest Friday afternoon as most of the province’s private ambulance services walked off the job. — Star photo by Cliff Wells |
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About a dozen paramedics and emergency medical responders gathered in a show of strength at Western Memorial Regional Hospital Friday afternoon.
The province’s private paramedics and emergency medical responders walked off the job at 4 p.m. because there is no contract between the province’s ambulance operators and government. Private paramedics haven’t had a raise in a year and a half — they’re making about $10 an hour less than their hospital-based counterparts.
That has the ambulance workers upset enough to stop performing routine transfers.
The group will still provide emergency medical services, but most private services across the province won’t be moving patients between institutions, taking people home from hospital or taking people to doctor appointments.
Kirk Yetman, a paramedic at Reliable Ambulance, helped organize the protest.
He’s disappointed nothing could be done in the 19 months the contract has been out.
“This started with government; this ends with government,” Yetman said. “We don’t want to be doing this and we don’t want to inconvenience the public, but the government is not willing to move on everything, so this is a last resort. With everything with the government, this is where it comes to.”
Paramedic Iris Park hopes after a few days, the province will realize what’s at stake.
“I’m disappointed they didn’t sign the contract, but I didn’t expect it,” Park said. “They’ve given us the run-around this long. It wasn’t a real big surprise.”
Justin Heuving, also a paramedic, said the protest was about more than just the $10 an hour that separates him and his coworkers from his hospital-based counterparts. He said the paid overtime, days off for time owed and other benefits add to the problem.
“The main thing is respect,” Heuving said. “A while back the nurses got their raise, which I feel they’re very much entitled to. It put them at parity with nurses in other Atlantic provinces. We’re not even asking for that much and we’re still caught in limbo.”
Finance Minister Tom Marshall said bargaining with the private ambulance operators is not a classic labour negotiation.
Neither the operators nor the paramedics are classed as employees of the government but instead a negotiation contract for a service provided.
Marshall said government’s offer includes a 35 per cent hike in funding, including money for a raise for the paramedics. What’s holding up the contract, he said, is the operators want a clause for a buyout if government should chose to go a different way with providing the service.
If government takes over the services, or if it goes with a province-wide or regional contracts the current ambulance operators want their compensation outlined in the contract, Marshall said.
The minister said the timing of the demonstration is unfortunate.
“We’re extremely disappointed the private ambulance operators have chosen to withdraw some services at this particular time when the province is in the middle of an H1N1 pandemic,” Marshall said. “Their actions today will add stress to the system.
“The Department of Health and regional health authorities have to make contingency plans to provide alternate means of delivering the services, which are not now being provided by the private ambulance operators.
“Their actions today are in my view, irresponsible.”
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Bill from Corner Brook, NL writes: This has got to be the most bizarre form of labor negotiations I have ever seen!
Why are employees of a private company protesting against one of the contract holders (the government) of their employer (the ambulance operator)?
Duh....they should have a picket line outside the ambulance garage!
The private operator (a.k.a. da boss) makes it seem like the bad old goverment is the reason these poor saps are making low wages, but have you seen the house this guy lives in? They are paid what they are paid because they have no union, no voice, and no job protection....all the while the boss is living off the profits.
And with no union, the paramedics feel they have to fight for the boss for better contracts, in order to get better wages. Well that's the boss' job - to get the increases - HE is your employer, not the provincial goverment!
And the nerve of the operator to appear on TV to say that his paramedics deserve better....well GIVE them better, you cheapskate! I bet you are not dipping into your profit bucket to increase wages, are you? NOPE!
A word of advice for all paramedics & drivers - organize a union and picket your employer....not one of your employers' customers.
Where are you going to picket next? Outside some granny's house who needs a lift to the hospital? Should she be paying the boss more too, so you can get a wage increase?
Do you really think that if the government does send an increase down the pipe, that 100% of it will be divided amongst the paramedics for a wage increase? I bet it would be safe to say that a new pool will be going in the backyard of the boss' million-dollar estate....
Plan your battles carefully....and figure out who the REAL enemy is....
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pete rose from DL, NL writes: Haven't had a raise in a year and a half. Poor baby's!
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Great Scott from Corner Brook, NL writes: Bill you have said it all - well put. This underlines a problem that is rampant in Newfoundland society. Business owners pay the lowest wages they can while their staff struggle to support their families. This is true across all occupations and it doesn't matter how much education or training you have or what leel of skills you bring to the mix. Until all Newfoundlanders who are working low wage and minimum wage jobs unite across the province Newfoundlanders will never, and I mean never, improve their quality of life.
Even if the predictions of Oil wealth materialize workers here will be working for pennies on the dollar when compared to their counterparts in other provinces.
Let me lay it out for you. IF YOU GO TO WORK EVERY DAY AND THE CHECK PRINTED FOR YOU EVERY TWO WEEKS ISN'T ENOUGH TO PAY YOUR BILLS,, FEED YOUR KIDS AND IMPROVE YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE. WHAT ARE YOU WORKING FOR????????
This is why EI often works better for families than working. This is why so many of your families are split across Canada just to find work.
To the protesting paramedics and ambulance drivers. You are in an ESSENTIAL SERVICES profession. It is your duty and SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY to get back in your ambulances and serve the citizens who depend on you.
Do the right thing.
You don't need your bosses permission to organize yourselves. A bit of COURAGE and a lot of planning goes a long way. Organize yourselves quietly and then once you have the majority of your coworkers formed into a single voice things will change.
I have seen positions advertised by your employer and your wages are deplorable. You have the right to organize. You have the responsibility to serve.
Do it.
I would like to start a discussion group on wages, labour and poverty in Newfoundland.
If you would like to be involved.
contact me at:
flwr.nl@hotmail.com
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Great Scott from Corner brook, NL writes: Andrew P. I agree with everything you said too. With an exception. The bull crap excuse. you refer to is called an OATH OF SERVICE anyone in a public servants role has a absolute duty to serve once they choose to wear a uniform. I believe walking off the job is a short sighted response that won't solve the problem.
Organizing and having a representation at the bargaining table during contract negotiations is the only tangible way to reform this process.
The ambulance drivers would win public support by showing up for work creating a public campaign geared toward winning community support. ie.wear arm band, buttons on their uniforms, go on protesting at the hospital the garage and at the bosses house.
First due your duty, show up for work, win support, exercise your right to protest.
These guys would get provincial support and possibly national recognition by media outlets this way. Win the public and the media and the poloticians will come along.
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I from NL writes: First, they are PARAMEDICS, not just ambulance drivers. They offer care in emergency situations, they don't just drive people around. Secondly, they are still offering emergency services; there will always be a crew at the base to be sent out if a call comes in, not to mention the hospital paramedics are still responding to emergency calls. They are no longer doing routine transfers, only those that are important. This is not being irresponsible, they are the lowest paid in Canada and don't get paid for overtime or being on call (which they are on for 24 hours a day for 10 days straight). It's about time they are heard!
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Fred from Ontario writes: My Grandson is a paramedic in NL and there is a lot more to this problem than just money. They have the same training
as the hospital paramedics and deserve the same respect. Many of these young people moved to NL from other areas but
will not settle there because they can earn a better living in their field
ANYWHERE else in Canada. Having been to NL and being very impressed with the beauty of the landscape and even more impressed with how friendly the people are, I know it would be a great place to
live. Keeping these well trained men and women should be an important consideration when dealing with the problems they have, because they will be
welcomed here..and hard to replace there !!
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Very Concerned from nl writes: Some of you people and your comments, mind your own business, wouldent you want whats yours and what you deserve for providing such a service to the community nobody is hurting ALL 911 calls will be responded to, and as for the most part the public wouldent care about them anyhow and never have anything good to say but stand back if they needed an emergency ambulance to help them and it wasent there...........
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jack from nl writes: So i guess the paramedics now look even more greedy than the nurses did a short while ago?, and the nurses say they were overworked? they have it pretty darn good good compaired to nl medics, do you honestly think the nurses wouldent have walked off the job, of course they would have just for a vacation..........
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Glen from Corner Brook, NL writes: I agree Jack, nurses would have left a long while ago. Never knows maybe they will go on strike again this year looking for more. Stand up Medics, get what you deserve!
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Paramedic from Corner Brook, NL writes: I wish to thank the public for their support in the past couple days.
I am posting because I wish to ease the mind of some people who may be slightly mislead.
ALL essential services are being provided. Every 911 call is being and will be answered and responded to immediately. We wouldn't have it any other way.
All medically necessary routine interfacility transfers are being done, either by the private services or hospital based services. The transfers not being done are those where the patient will suffer no medical detrement; as in returning someone home after a stay in the hospital for example.
Contrary to popular belief, the H1N1 virus has actually decreased the demand for routine transfers, simply because doctors and nursing staff in assisted living facilities are being told not to send residents to hospital unless it is absolutely necessary; in an attempt to contain the virus. This means the impact of the walk-off is actually felt less during this period of time. In addition, the demand for routine transfers is always less on the weekend because there are little to no doctor's appointments scheduled on weekends.
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john from nl writes: for those of you looking in from the outside lets get some things straight. First the medics need to withdraw services as a show of strength, second if the government is unwilling to deal with the operators and the operators say they will withdraw services without the medics walking also how much weight will that carry. The operators need the medics and the medics need the operators. as far as giving 100 percent of the money to the employess, well they do deserve a good raise but the operator also needs an increase to keep with the ever rising cost of delivering these services. As far as i can tell the stumbling block is this end of service clause, well can you blame an operator for trying to protect their services from a government who can take it away anytime. An operator put monies into purchasing new equipment which can be quite costly and then the government can say after this contract is up that they no longer need your services, how do they deal with paying of their equipment and other cost of the business. I dont blame them for looking out for themselves.
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Alex from NL writes: Last time I looked we didn't leave in the US... there should not be profit in health care. These operators run horizontal taxies and profit from other peoples suffering. They get huge sums of money from government and pay their employees peanuts.
Take profit out of health care!
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Alex from NL writes: John from NL... Government paid for all the assets the private operators have! Cry me a river!
To add insult, to save money (add to their profit) the operators buy used ambulances that other provinces have deemed as unfit.
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Ill from NL writes: Amidst the H1N1 crisis and just when we needed YOU ! ? now this, ill timed.
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!*&^ from Nl writes: How is it that the general public always think they know the ins and outs of everything when in all reality they dont know jack, worry about your own jobs and well being you would all do the same thing and you would all go where your shoved if you know what i mean, i read somwhere a while back that hospital based services recieve $750,000 a year where as a private based service recieves $350,000 a year to run an ambulance now how is that right especially when the private ambulance does far more running than the hospital based on, look give the medics a break do you think they want to freeze and be off work????
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chris from nl writes: boo hoo. stop your srying and go back to work. be thank-ful you have a job, and if it doesn't pay enough for you then quit and get a new one. seems these days that everyone that works in the health care field is only there for the money and not because they care about the well being of others. everyone in the hospitals are overpaid with the exceptions of the doctors and surgeouns. they seem to be the only ones interested in how the patient feels. once again get back to work you lazy........
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Open Your Eyes from Corner Brook, Newfoundland writes: It still amazes me that people will complain no matter what. I can understand the need for better pay. These workers are skilled labourers and deserve to be paid for the position that they work. The problem here in Newfoundland is that we are so happy to have a job we forget that we should be paid appropriately for our skills. If you look at other people working the same positions in the rest of Canada you will see that we are most definitely underpaid.
Saying that ... I don't agree with walking of the job when you are working in their profession. When you agree to work that roll then you have a responsibility to the public. There are other ways to be heard. Join your voices together for one strong voice. Work together and fight for what you deserve. Don't let down the public by refusing your services. Your profession is important.
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PARAMEDIC from NL writes: Oh yea the paramedics are just in in for the money sure, and yea were real lazy, were in in for the love of the job and to help people in need, and dont say well your not working now.... because guess what call 911 and we will be there in no time flat, and thats what matters and thats what i would never stop doing no matter what...your covered chris. and i dont want a different job because this is in my blood i need to do this i wouldent do anything else, all we want is to live comfortable and continue helping people, we in no way shape or form wanted this but when push comes to shove 18 months later what else do you do?? And im am very thankful i have a job home in nl trust me i love this place....im guessing you dont have a job that means so much to you that you would even defend it or fight to make it better for you and your family, but if you did you would do the same.
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@@@@ from Nl writes: Put the operators aside and support your paramedics, dont forget at some point everybody will need them.
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yep from NL writes: I appreciate some of the more educated and articulate answers from earlier about how paramedics shouldnt be striking in front of the hospital.They should be in front of the ambulance owners homes and buisness's and that they should be trying to form a union. The simple fact of the matter is; this is easier said then done. Unions have been tried. When it comes to whether you can feed your family or not its an easy but unfortunate choice. People are to scared to lose their job and its understandable if you look at the deplorable pay no one can afford to be off work for too long. The only real way for us to raise awareness of our situation is what we are doing now.
Paramedics have tried to email, write, call the goverment to see what can be done, but there is no reply. Most of these messages have been about the government mandating what an operator has to pay their employees, making some of the funding go to more skills training and and courses to advance their knowledge, after all the government does provide the funding so they should have a more detailed input on where it is spent.
Thats why Paramedics are out there cause we are just frustrated trying to go about it in other ways and having all doors slammed in their face.
I dont know if people realize how long this has been actually going on for. Everyone hears about nursing contracts and other bargaining talks with the government Until paramedics hit the streets on friday afternoon no one paid attention or really cared.
To those who have called them babies, whinners or worse to those who have called them ambulance driver or taxi driver......I dont think you have a clue of what their job actually entails. If you are still under the impression that they pick your loved one up and then fly them into the hospital lights and sirens you are sorely mistaken. The role of of a Paramedic is highly advanced and the schooling is very intense. New skills are added every year more advanced techniques are required for them to learn. Healthcare is constantly updated and improved more so then any other field, so workers are constantly having to be educated and updated. But to know that, you'd have to know what your talking about.
A Paramedic does their job cause they love it. IF they didnt you wouldnt have a Paramedic in the province. If you were in a ditch in the middle of winter with water up to your knees cause a car flipped, or having blood flicked at you and not knowing if that person has a disease, or going to a scene where a child has been abused. The questions being asked and the assessment on scene and in the rig is more advanced then it looks they're not just asking and touching for the hell of it. They have a million things running through their mind on what it could or could not be. If people saw an ounce of it.... they would realize that its not an easy job.
Or look at it this way... You make a mistake at a job it happens and it gets fixed, a paramedic makes a mistake and then all of a sudden someone life is on the line....little more stressful i'd say.
Again also all emergency calls are still answered...all emergency transfers are still answered...if you look closely throughout the day you will see an ambulance take off and thats the reason they leave....again people gotta educate themselves on the issues before they comment.
A year and a half ago Newfoundland was short 200 paramedics across the province. Ive seen colleagues leave for other provinces and I dont blame them one bit. Why would they stay unless you have family here there is no reason to. I believe it will just get worse if the system is not fixed.
In case you havent figured it out yet.... yes i am a PARAMEDIC
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Stumped from CB, NL writes: I would comment but I'm still wading through the jumble of words that Very Concerned typed out. I'm looking for a period or something to guide me out. This could take a while.
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disgusted from nl writes: To Stumped and others like him (or her). Disagree with comments of others if you feel like it, but don't ridicule them. Doing so makes you look bad, not them.
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Stumped from CB, NL writes: I AM disagreeing. I'm disagreeing with poor language. It's unnecessary and distracts from the point of the piece.
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Shocked from NL writes: I still laugh at how ignorant some people can be towards Paramedics and Ambulance staff.To those out there who support paramedics, and what we do, Thank you very very much. For those of you who call us Ambulance Drivers or Glorified Taxi Drivers, and call us babies because we are trying to MAKE a living at this job, I hope you never have to witness what we do first hand. Might make you wake up and realize we are WORTH more than 13 dollars an hour. And that we are a Important role in the health care system. And that we are at this job because we love it. Nobody can do this job if they dont love it. We just want to be treated fairly, and receive benefits and slightly higher wages. Ive been in this field for 5 years, and have not received a raise. Ive never had a paid sick day. I do the same job as a hospital paramedic and make 10 dollars an hour less. How am I being greedy in asking for a few more dollars an hour? Wouldnt you expect to get a raise every now and then? Your crazy to be putting us down.
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Western Area Paramedic from NL writes: Guys, calm down.... all we are trying to do is gain respect from Government, as you can read on here general public don't have respect for the local Paramedics, let alone Government, maybe if we rescued kittens we would have respect. Please all we are asking is for general support for wage pariety with the rest of Canadian Paramedics. After all we are having peaceful demonstrations not burning places up.. Thank you for your support...
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concerned from nl writes: Well, Chris, Jack and Glen, how the nurses got involved in this discussion is beyond me. You guys are obviously as misinformed about the paramedic strike as you were about the nurses ALMOST strike.
Paramedics have different levels of training and a great amount of responsibility. I for one, take great comfort in knowing that our paramedics are there for us and capable of caring for us in an emergency situation, as well as the nurses.
No one strikes for a vacation, how would you like to go on a vacation with no pay, and only 7 weeks until christmas.
Boo hoo to you, Chris. Caring for the well being of people has no relation to seeking wage increases and job satisfaction. Paramedics have families to look after, as I'm sure you do. Who doesn't want a wage increase or better work conditions? And the lazy comment, was not only uncalled for but childish.
For people not to support anyone on strike sure makes them sound jealous. How can you or I even comment on someones' job and what they deserve?
Hope you or your loved ones are not in need of emergency care, who will be the first responder, doctors, surgeouns (your spelling, not mine ).... NO.... PARAMEDICS.
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concerned from nl writes: Well, Chris, Jack and Glen, how the nurses got involved in this discussion is beyond me. You guys are obviously as misinformed about the paramedic strike as you were about the nurses ALMOST strike.
Paramedics have different levels of training and a great amount of responsibility. I for one, take great comfort in knowing that our paramedics are there for us and capable of caring for us in an emergency situation, as well as the nurses.
No one strikes for a vacation, how would you like to go on a vacation with no pay, and only 7 weeks until christmas.
Boo hoo to you, Chris. Caring for the well being of people has no relation to seeking wage increases and job satisfaction. Paramedics have families to look after, as I'm sure you do. Who doesn't want a wage increase or better work conditions? And the lazy comment, was not only uncalled for but childish.
For people not to support anyone on strike sure makes them sound jealous. How can you or I even comment on someones' job and what they deserve?
Hope you or your loved ones are not in need of emergency care, who will be the first responder, doctors, surgeouns (your spelling, not mine ).... NO.... PARAMEDICS.
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Robert N. MacLeod from Corner Brook, NL writes: I am NOT an ambulance driver... I am a PARAMEDIC?
I am a Primary Care Paramedic, graduate from a Canadian Medical Association (CMA) approved program with ten years experience.
As a Primary Care Paramedic, I am a confident leader who can accept the challenge and high degree of responsibility entailed in this position. I have excellent judgment and I am able to prioritize decisions and act quickly in the best interest of the patient. I am self disciplined, able to develop patient rapport, interview hostile patients, maintain safe distance, and recognize and utilize communication unique to diverse multicultural groups and ages within those groups, interview patient, family members, and bystanders. I am able to function independently at optimum level in a non-structured environment that is constantly changing.
As a Primary Care Paramedic, I am personally responsible, legally, ethically and morally for each drug administered, for using correct precautions and techniques, observing and documenting the effects of the drugs administered. I have to keep my pharmacological knowledge base current as to changes and trends in administration and use, keeping abreast of all contraindications to administration of specific drugs to patients based on their constitutional make-up, and using drug reference literature.
My responsibilities as a Primary Care Paramedic include obtaining a comprehensive drug history from the patient that includes name of drugs, strength, daily usage and dosage. I must take into consideration that many factors, in relation to the history given, can affect the type medication to be given. For example, some patients may be taking several medications prescribed by several different doctors and some may lose track of what they have or have not taken. Some may be using non-prescription/over the counter drug. Awareness of drug reactions and the synergistic effects of drugs combined with other medicines and in some instances, food, are imperative. I must also take into consideration the possible risks of medication administered to a pregnant mother and the fetus; keeping in mind those drugs may cross the placenta.
As a Primary Care Paramedic, I must be cognizant of the impact of medications on pediatric patients based on size and weight, special concerns related to newborns, geriatric patients and the physiological effects of aging such as the way skin can tear in the geriatric population with relatively little to no pressure. There must be an awareness of the high abuse potential of controlled substances and the potential for addiction. I have the ability to measure and re-measure drip rates for controlled substances/medications are essential.
I apply basic principles of mathematics to the calculation of problems associated with medication dosages, perform conversion problems, differentiate temperature reading between centigrade and Fahrenheit scales, be able to use proper advanced life support equipment and supplies ( i.e. proper size of intravenous needles ) based on patient' s age and condition of veins, administer medication intravenously, administer oral medications, and comply with universal pre-cautions and body substance isolation, disposing of contaminated items and equipment properly.
I am knowledgeable as to the stages drugs/medications go through once they have entered the patient's system and be cognizant that route of administration is critical in relation to patient's needs and the effect that occurs. I have the ability to discern deviations/changes in eye/skin coloration due to patient's condition and to the treatment given.
I am capable of providing advanced life support emergency medical services to patients including conducting of and interpreting electrocardiograms (EKGs), electrical interventions to support the cardiac functions, performing airway management and administering of appropriate intravenous fluids and drugs under strict protocols of off-site designated physician within the scope of my practice.
I not only remain calm while working in difficult and stressful circumstances, but capable of staying focus while assuming the leadership role inherent in carrying out the functions of the position. Good judgment along with advanced knowledge and technical skills are essential in directing other team members to assist as needed. I provide top quality care; concurrently handle high levels of stress, and willing to take on the personal responsibility required of the position of Paramedic. This includes not only all legal ramifications for precise documentation, but also the responsibility for using the knowledge and skills acquired in real life threatening emergency situations.
I deal with adverse and often dangerous situations which include responding to high risk calls. I am self-confidence, have a desire to work with people, solid emotional stability, a tolerance for high stress, and the ability to meet the physical, intellectual, and cognitive requirements demanded by this profession.
I provide the most extensive pre-hospital care. I not only transport the elderly from nursing homes to routine medical appointments and checkups I also answer 911 calls in and around my service area. I accept the particular stresses inherent in the role as a Primary Care Paramedic. I accept the 24x7x365 shifts.
I am flexible to meet the demands of the ever-changing emergency scene. When emergencies exist, the situation can be complex and care of the patient must be started immediately. In essence, I am an extension of the Emergency Department and a critical clog in the Emergency Healthcare System. My colleges and I have multi year diplomas and degrees in Emergency Care from Colleges and Universities. I use advanced training and equipment to extend emergency physician services to the ambulance.
I accurately discerning street names through map reading, and correctly distinguishing house numbers or business addresses are essential to task completion in the most expedient manner. I am specially trained and certified in Emergency Vehicle Operations. I concisely and accurately describing orally to dispatcher and other concerned staff, one's impression of patient's condition, is critical as I work in emergency conditions where there may not be time for deliberation. I am able to accurately report orally and in writing, all relevant patient data. At times, reporting may require a detailed narrative on extenuating circumstances or conditions that go beyond what is required on a prescribed form. Verbal skills and reasoning skills are used extensively.
I am able to make accurate independent judgments while following protocols and directives. I perform my duties in a timely manner, as it could mean the difference between life and death for the patient in my care.
I can only hope someday, my salary will properly reflect the scope and responsibilities of my vocation and will be close to that of my fellow Paramedics throughout the rest of Canada.
I am not an Ambulance Driver… I am a proud Paramedic.
Respectfully,
Robert N. MacLeod
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Thankful To All Our Healt from NL writes: To Concerned From NL and Robert The Proud Paramedic ; Your Comments were Powerful, Hope Chris, Jack and Glen realize now how Important and Critical the Paramedics and All Health Care Workers are to our Future. If I or Someone I Love are every in Need of their Assistance, I Feel Confident that they will provide excellent quality care. I Highly Respect and Trust Their Judgement in an Urgent Situation. Health Care Workers are very well educated; unlike Chris who can not even spell. EQUAL PAY FOR EQUAL WORK.
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grateful from nl writes: To Robert N. MacLeod: I thank God there are people like you who are there to help in emergencies. Having had to call 911 for a loved one on more than one occasion, I am amazed at how paramedics are able to keep their cool and give professional treatment under stressful conditions.
You personally may not have responded to my frantic calls but I thank you and all others like you who provide emergency assistance.
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Western Area Paramedic from NL writes: TO ROBERT MACLEOD..... MY hat is off to you as your comment was very powerful and to the point.. Congrads my friend, glad to know somebody finally made percise statments on the role of a Paramedic.... VERY WELL WORDED.... Thank you...
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Formerly of NL from Nova Scotia writes: Well said Robert! A little long winded but well said. I am amazed how little people know about others professions. I worked as a paramedic in Nfld. and currently in NS. I moved away for a number of reasons and a full tie job was one of them.
I do not get mad when referred to as an ambulance driver. I am an ambulance driver. The public has no idea what we can do until needed. I am a paramedic and proud of it.
I love my job!
I can understand what everyone is saying but the paramedics in Nfld. and on this thread should not be mad with the comments. They don't have all of the details. They don't have any idea what our job entails, that is until Roberts' post. Robert don't feel that you have anything to explain to people. Especially in that way. It makes you seem as small as others.
I agree with what was said...when the contract is finalized if the medics think they will see a substantial increaase they are fooling themselves. It was already said that they are concerned about buyouts and what are going to happen to them.
Kudos to you for keeping up with the emergency calls. You will not do anything for your position or profession if you stop that. Maybe request a Q and A session with some of your local politicians.
To the men and woman of Nfld. pre hospital care:
Keep up the great work! Anyone can be a paramedic....it takes a very special person to be a great one! I have worked with many over the years that don't love the job like I do but they still do it.
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Snow plow operator from Corner Brook, NL writes: I wish everyone would also realize the importance of our city's plow operators. Like the paramedics, we have to undergo extensive training also and don't make the same as plow operators in other cities. No equal pay for me despite the importance of my job. It would be hard for an ambulance to go anywhere with no plows plowing the road. What we do is important too. If we never showed up for work, almost everybody else wouldn't be able to get there. It don't matter if they were a paramedic, a doctor, or the garbage truck driver. If my work don't get done, their work won't get done. These paramedics can't say the same thing. If these guys deserve equal pay then everyone deserves to get equal pay, from the nurses right on down to the people making the minimum wage. Everyone deserves to get equal pay.
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Terry from Nl writes: I work for a construction company that does work for the hospital. I know I don't make as much as carpenters on staff at the hospital. We do the same work but don't get the same pay. I don't think it's anything different from the paramedics. They work for a private company who does work on a contract basis the same as I do.
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bored with health from NL writes: It seems that the uninformed have the loudest voice and the typical complainers have a voice that makes no sense. EMS providers have an important role to play in health care. They are still providing that, even in the midst of their protest. To all of you who are suggesting a union above; are you people for real? You think a union is going to magically make the Government pay for more private providers than Government providers. Think again. The EMS people with this particular company are NOT essential, simply because the Government EMS are still present and can handle the bulk of the work. If the Paramedics with Patten went on strike, you had better be prepared for a long one...no one will care, particularly the Government. Is it unfair? Yes it is. Is a union going to solve the problem. No, it will not. It will result in the private owner cutting back his business, lay off people, and reduce his service, simply, because he can. If people think an ambulance will not come when a 911 call is placed you are also dead wrong. They will come, they will be there in a hurry and they may save your life. Why? Because they do care. Unfortunately these people who are underpaid took a job with a private contractor. Typically those guys only pay what they have to (too little) and the rest is for the business and their profit. It is not illegal, it is not immoral; it is the way things are. If you want to change that, people, including the workers, the contractors, and the PEOPLE WHO USE THOSE SERVICES have to start talking and talking really loud. The Government will not listen to a few disgruntled workers, they will not give more money to the contractor based on the staff complaining of job parity issues. They may not even listen to a larger body of people, but it has to start somewhere. Strength in numbers is always better and given the ongoing Newfoundland health problems, the greedy nurses who opened Pandoras box, and the lack of services that the hospital provides, it is going to take a lot more that a interrupt in services to get more money. Frankly, I do not lend any support to health care providers. They are overpaid and they think they are entitled. This past 30 years I have been trained in more than one profession. I have an incredible work record, and have never left a job undone. I cannot find work in CB at all, I find it hard to listen to anyone complain when they have a job, even with a mediocre salary. That is more than I have, and I am trained, educated and willing to do anything.. That makes me unemployable. I am tired of losing a job opportunity because someone knew someone, who could pull strings. The idiot gets the job with no knowledge, and the trained like myself dangle in the breeze. I support no one who walks away from their job. It is a job and many of us cannot find one. So let the personal attacks begin. That is what people in here do best. I do not care. I hope Pattens staff can find resolution, but I think they are flogging the dead horse.
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Pauline from NL writes: Well said Concerned! Concerned's comments reflect public opinion. In that we are grateful for the professionalism and effectiveness that paramedics achieve in caring for the general public. Therefore, earning a wage capable of taking care of your family should be right and not a privilege to a select few.
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Iris from Newfoundland writes: I too am a Proud Paramedic in Corner Brook and yes I am on STRIKE. I think poeple need to realize why we are on strike. We don't want more money, we just want the government to sign the contract so we can get the money they promised.
As for our responsibility, I have been on strike since Friday but have still be on call for Emergency Service. In fact, I left the picket line on Friday evening to respond to a 911 call. Am I still irresponsible? What if it was your loved one?
Thank you to all our supporters!!! Thanks Robert...amazing comment...top notch Paramedic.
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cb man from nl writes: to the ones who complain about no work or just work in general: would you guys grow up for once! It rotts my socks to hear about people not working complaining about someone elses job. If these certian people wanted to work they'd be out there doing it. I spent 5 winters in Calgary working Seismic, so to those who have at home jobs; hats off to ya. I agree with the Paramedic's walking off the job. They deserve so much for what little pay they recieve. Those who complain are jealous and that's it. I for one am lucky to have an at home job and ya don't hear me complain. I support the paramedic's and I hope they get what they deserve in pay increase. To those who complain...b'ys grow up for once will yah.
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Justin W from NL writes: Robert thank you very much for taking the time to post such a great response. It is greatly appreciated by myself, and all the other EMS providers out there across the island. you my friend is what we need more of..............
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Mary from NL writes: Folks, I think we are all losing sight of the point here. The government offered the operators the funding for increased wages for the paramedics...read all the papers/blogs on this topic and you will see this. The operators REFUSED this offer because they wanted more money, when everything is already paid for already. Nobody is questioning the value of the paramedics, nor their worth. Of course they deserve wage parity, but the government pays a set amount to the operators, who then stuff their pockets, and then decide how much to pay their staff...perhaps there's more in the pocket, and less on the table for the families of the paramedics?!?! Paramedics of NL, you ARE valued, you ARE worth it; the operators still need to go. Essential health services and profit margins should not play ball together.
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George from Lark Harbour, Newfoundland writes: I agree with Mary from NL : Nobody is questioning the value of the paramedics, nor their worth...... Paramedics of NL, you ARE valued, you ARE worth it; the operators still need to go. ....
Tom Marshall says 35% MORE in the budget etc but operators in the way etc...
It is clear who the bad guys are....
How can the problem be fixed? Nullify the power of operators? Unionize--Let's do it.....
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albert smith from gf, nl writes: George and Mary have summed it up well. One point I would like to add and that is accountability . At present the operator's have none. They want this money to do with how they want. The government wants to know how they are spending it. If it is for wages than prove you are spending it on wages. The operator's are refusing to agree to this. They want it both ways, give me the money and that is it. Then Bob can go buy a new boat and to hell with his Loyal Paramedics . All they will get is a few cents per hr, and they will have to take it, because they will not stand up to the operator.
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Worker from Newfoundland writes: Thanks for the great posting Robert. I know every Paramedic out there appreciates it and hope it gives everyone else an idea of what a Paramedic is.
I want to reinforce Iris' comment and say we are NOT looking for more money and we ARE answering 911 calls. The only thing were asking is that our contract that has been up for 19 months be signed so we can get back to work.
We are still looking after public safety and will be there for you as we always have been, we are just asking that you support us in our time of need.
Thanks to everyone out there, your support is very much appreciated.
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Supporting Nurse from nl writes: I worked for a Private Ambulance service in the past. I also have friends who still today work at services in Western Nl. I support the paramedics in their quest for an increase in pay, I also think operators are well able to pay more then they do now, just look at the profits these owners are making and still paying the workers 14 bucks an hour, most are working for 70 and 80 hrs a week and getting paid for 30 -40, its a crime.
In my opinion the paramedics should be taking job action against their employer and not letting their employer use them once again by putting them out on the street so they again can get another increase for their pockets.
If I was a betting woman I bet you never saw too many Pattens, Mackenzies or Russells on the picket lines today, they were home in their warm houses probably complaining about how much gas was being burned in their running ambulances on the picket lines.
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shocked from nl writes: wow this is crazy. i have never heard of a bargaining like this. in the real world there would be a union for the workers and they would have to fight the private operators. this however has been taken care of, the operators do not want thier medics unionized. but they themselves seem to be acting like one. a lot of these private operators own a large amount of funeral homes which is a conflict of interest in its self.
as i hope that all the paramedics out there get a fair increase to thier incomes i feel compeled to ask, what would happen to these paramedics? would the employer fire them? is everyone demonstrating because they have no recourse?
the private ambulance operators have succeeded in hindering the evolution of the industry in the provience for far too long. they offer no no educational opertunities to the men and women that make them very rich, while provided the very minimal amount of service. if you where to compare the level of service that is currently being offered by the operators it would only prove how little they truly care about our health and only about our money and thier pockets.
its time the regional health boards took over and did the job right. these guys have bullied and robbed this provience far too long.
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| Posted 08/11/2009 at 7:33 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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albert smith from gf, nl writes: Worker from Newfoundland, you just said that The only thing were asking is that our contract that has been up for 19 months be signed so we can get back to work. I thought it was the Operators contract that was up for 19 months not the paramedics. That makes me wonder who you really are an operator or a paramedic. This is supposed to be a dispute between the Government and the operators. The Government is not negotiating with the paramedics, are they? Humm an scam going on here.
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| Posted 08/11/2009 at 7:36 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Scared to speak out from CB, nl writes: I have been here reading all this all weekend, when I am not being focused or at least intimidated to be on the line' I am a paramedic in CB and I dare not speak up in fear of being not only fired but also blacklisted from every service. But enough is enough BP told us that we have to follow his lead or we would be out of a job. Those who are speaking up in favor of BP are his LITTLE BOYS and would jump off a wharf if he asked them to. I am tired of being dragged in to the middle of this. I can only hope that the Government changes our system to something better.
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| Posted 08/11/2009 at 7:55 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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jerry from Nl writes: albert you hit the nail squarely on the head..........a big scam, that's all this is.....and it is us taxpayers who will have to pay.......
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shocked from nl writes: i have to ask, is this even legal? is there an actual union that has gone through the appropriate channels to do this so they could be legaly allowed to preform job action and/or strike actions?
i gather that all of you protesting have total legal backing of your employeers......
some one might want to talk to a labor lawyer.
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| Posted 08/11/2009 at 8:07 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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albert smith from gf, nl writes: That's right jerry. and I do not mind paying for these paramedics, that are essential to our health care system and do deserve everything, good wages, health benefits and so no. What I do not want to to pay to line the pockets of the the operators and have the Paramedics get nothing.
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| Posted 08/11/2009 at 8:09 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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whaT? from nl writes: Scared to speak out im pretty sure you are not an employee of BP because i know for a fact you are full of Sh*t. and just who are the little boys who would jump of a wharf?? Are you mental? Can somebody from the western star close this now enough is enough.
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shocked from nl writes: whaT? from nl writes: Scared to speak out im pretty sure you are not an employee of BP because i know for a fact you are full of Sh*t. and just who are the little boys who would jump of a wharf?? Are you mental? Can somebody from the western star close this now enough is enough.
i am sorry there is no reason on earth to shut this thread down. there is very real concerns that are being raised. this is a very bizzare action.
1. the operators have pulled services from the public.
2. the paramedics have to support the operators or risk a resume generating event.
3. the operators are behaving like a union when in fact they are not. they have an assosiation that has cornered the industry, alowing for no transparency.
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Bob Seayor-Uncle from NL writes: As long as I can remember, the EMS techs were always way underpaid. I think its time for the government to stop funding a very wealthy middle man and take the EMS under their wing and apy them what they deserve. Its a hard job, and we rely upon them when we or our loved ones are at their weakest. We need to help them love what they do, we really need these people.
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shocked from nl writes: this is outrageous. the more i hear about this, the more i believe that any organized union operating in the provience today should be pulling their hair out at the actions of the owner operators. pretending to be a union while having their own unprotected men and women do the protesting?!? this is making a joke out of every union since its conception. to all you paramedics out there i WANT YOU TO HAVE WHAT YOU RIGHTFULLY DESERVE, but being used as poster boys for this lot?
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Ill from NL writes: Amidst the H1N1 crisis, world economic recession and just when we needed YOU ! ?, now this, very ill timed.
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darren from corner brook, nl writes: it sure looks like somebody is being used here. if it wasn't for reading the comments to this story everyone would still be in the dark. these paramedics should be standing up to their employer and not acting as pawn in a game of chess. unfortunately thats what can happen when you don't have the solid leadership a union could provide.
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Disappointed from NL writes: Unfortunate really. Seems like the paramedics are stuck behind a rock and a hard place here. Either they do what the boss says or they go home with nothing.
35% increase in funding eh. hmmm my question is...will the greedy operators acutally put 35% into their buisness like...shouldnt you guys be able to pay them 35% more? and shouldnt you have 35% more funding for equipment. New ambulances??? I unno just seems like if you get 35% more total funding it should be goin to the service....dont you think Mr Mckenzie, Mr Patten, Mr Russels etc. I'd just like to see it go to the right places is all.
About a year ago paramedics came to our house to help my father and they should absolute professionalism, and I was amazed at how kind and intellegent they actually were.
BUT most likely i think next time you drive by one of these guys houses ur gonna see a new addition or maybe this is a retirement fund....oh my bad i forgot about your 34% processing fee
dont mind payin taxes, just not so people can fund their new hot tub is all.
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Disgusted from NL writes: Okay people, let's take a look at this from the inside....into the lives of the fine Paramedics and Emergency Medical Responders, shall we?
I am the wife of an employee at Reliable Abulance service. We have 2 small children at home. Myself and my children have been awakened by the telephone at 1, 2 ,3, 4, 5 o'clock in the morning on numerous occasions because my husband has been called out to do routine transfers both within the city and as well as transport patients as far away as St. John's at a moments notice. My husband gets out of bed and goes to work at any time called and does his job with no complaints, because he LOVES it! These people DO NOT get any overtime for working long hours, DO NOT get paid stand-by rates while being unable to make plans with friends and family, ARE NOT intitled to paid sick leave, and CANNOT ACCUMULATE time owed, but continue to respond to NON-EMERGENCY calls at any time of the day or night. Many times, we have talked about a career change, but his answer always remains I love my job, if I didn't, I wouldn't be here.
I have been reading through this HUGE list of comments and I am, quite honestly, disgusted with some of them.
If you had read down through the newspaper article, and read Tom Marshall's comments, you will see that wage increases are NOT THE ONLY ISSUE HERE! The operators are looking for a clause to be added into the new contract to protect all owners/employees of privately owned companies in the case of a buyout. DID YOU KNOW that there have already been talks of this?? That many of the employees are already scared of losing their jobs?? Maybe not this year, and maybe not next year either, but IT IS COMING! Mr. Patten, Mr. MacKenzie and Mr. Russell (as stated in an earlier entry) are looking out for the future of their employees and their companies, and trying to guarantee some job stability in the event that a larger company tries to buy out every company one by one across this province, as has already been done in other provinces across the maritimes.
As well as wanting their contract signed to receive the wages THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN AGREED UPON, they are out there to support the owners of these companies so that they can, in return get some sort of 'job protection'. To know that if it comes to this, they will have a plan. Isn't that what we all want?? To know that we will be able to go to work, and do the work that we love to do until we are ready to retire?
So what, Bob Patten has a big house. The people who work for him know that. Lots of people in this city have big houses...and I'd like to have one too, but his lifestyle has absolutly nothing to do with the Paramedics and EMR's decision to take job action. He had a big house before they walked and he'll have one after, those of you concentrating on these details are missing the point and are out of line.
So while all of you negative people out there sit at home with nothing better to do than criticize, think about this:
While you are cozy in your bed at night, there are people all over this province who are working to help others. They got called out of bed, away from their wives, husbands and children to respond to the public's needs without complaint.
While you are at work, at home, or at play, these people are ON CALL FOR YOU, FOR YOUR FAMILIES, FOR YOUR CHILDREN, 24 hours/day, 7days/week, 365 days/year.
While you are sick or injured in the hospital and need to travel to St. John's for specialized care or procedures such as angioplasty or plastic surgery, you have trained personnel available to transport you safely.
If you are one of these negative people posting comments here you must have a fantastic, college/university trained family, trained in medication administration, defibrillation, CPR and other life saving measures, and also own thousands of dollars worth of critical medical equipment, to escort you to the hospital when an emergency arises. Because if I were you, I would be too ashamed to call for help.
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| Posted 09/11/2009 at 2:18 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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albert smith from gf, nl writes: Disgusted:
I understand your concerns, but a few 'facts' might help. In all the buy outs in NS, NB, and PEI there were no job losses. In fact in NS there was about 1 25% increase in positions. If the government was ever to go to that system, there would be no job losses. The other thing that happened is that all medics wages were brought up to the highest paid service in NS. So to relate that to here that would mean that all medics in NL would be brought up to what HSC is making, that including the same health package and other benefits. So I think that there is little for the medics of NL to be afraid of. Do not listen to the lies that Patten and the rest of the operators are telling you.
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Easy Solution from N.L writes: Why cant the gov't just pay the employees thier wages, including the raise and the retro-active pay. Leave the operators out of it. Everybody knows the medics are not at fault here. Let the gov't and the operators deal with their issues on their own.
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Paramedic from nl writes: I am a Paramedic who loves my job but hate the way we are treated by the operators.I spend 60 to 70 hrs a week at work and only paid for 40, we are always fighting over days off and holidays. The best thing that could happen now is for the private operators to lose their services and have it run properly and not with the amount profit as the bottom line. The Pattens, Fewers, Mackenzies, and Russells have become rich enough on our backs, time for them to have to work for a living.
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I agree with Disgusted from Newfoundland writes: Thank you to disgusted, wife of a Paramedic at Reliable. Very well said.
Who cares what size of a house Mr. Patten has or what he has around his door, whats important is job stability for his employees.
I will explain the clause that the government has placed in the contract for all to understand. With this clause, should the government choose to have a province wide service, they wouldn't be required to buy out the employers. Meaning, they could purchase very expensive equipment to run the province. I mean...would that make more sense then buying what is already available from Private operators at a reduced cost. Why spend a little money in buying the equipment from operators in this province when you can buy brand new ambulance (very expensive) from another province for double the money. Sure taxpapers...this is what you want. I too am a taxpaper and certainly don't want to have to foot the bill for the purchase of all new equipment.
As a paramedic, I do my job because I love it. I don't enjoy being called from my warm bed at all hours in the night but I do it to help people. Thats what I do. I know if it was a loved one of mine, I would want a dedicated Paramedic to respond. Does this sound irresponsible? Am I lazy? or greedy?
Thanks to all supporters out there.
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