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| Last updated at 11:49 PM on 20/11/09 |
Employer plans to challenge City of Corner Brook Act in court 
CORNER BROOK GARY KEAN The Western Star
It may be on the books as the law, but Pat Hickey wants the court to make a decision on the appropriateness of him having to provide the City of Corner Brook with personal information about employees who work for his business.
Hickey owns and operates PPAB Security Services and Consulting.
The company has been charged with two counts of violating Section 153 (1) of the City of Corner Brook Act. The legislation states that the City can demand employers in Corner Brook provide the names of employees, the dates on which their employment began and whether or not those employees own real property in Corner Brook.
The purpose is so the City can determine which of its residents should be subject to the annual poll tax, which is essentially applied to residents who do not own property in Corner Brook.
In provincial court in Corner Brook Tuesday, there were three companies on the docket facing charges under the legislation. Charges against two of the companies were withdrawn after the court was informed those businesses had complied and had provided the requested information about their employees.
The charges against Hickey, however, remain before the court and he entered not guilty pleas to both counts. He told The Western Star he does not agree with the law because, to him, it violates the confidentiality he has with his staff.
“If someone called up looking for a phone number for one of our staff, I would say ‘sorry, we don’t give that out,’” said Hickey. “Now, if I was contacted by the police for an investigation, I would give them the information they require, but I feel I am violating my employees’ rights to privacy if the City can call me up and say they want to know where (employees) live and so on for the sole reason of charging them poll tax.”
The letters sent to each business include a form which asks employers to list out all employees who are over the age of 18, who reside in the city and who are owners of real property.
Hickey doesn’t think it’s any of his business whether his employees own property or not.
That’s what censuses are for, he said, and is not a task which should be passed on to employers.
In his particular line of business, Hickey has some employees who are private investigators and both he and the employees would prefer to keep the fact they do such work out of the public domain as much as possible.
“I don’t feel like divulging that information to the City,” said Hickey. “It just seems to me the City is dumping their work on the businesses of the city. I’m just a small operation and the couple of hours it would take me to do this could be spent doing something else.”
Hickey intends to fight the charges on principle. If the court rules he does have to provide the City with the information it is requesting, then he will do so, but he’s not just going to assume the City is entitled to it.
“I’d like to hear that from the courts,” he said.
Dale Park, the City of Corner Brook’s director of corporate services, said the three companies whose cases were called in court Tuesday were the first charges the City has ever laid under this piece of legislation.
“The City has always sent out letters to businesses every year, but in prior years we have had as many as 70 or 80 non-compliant businesses,” said Park. “This year, we have decided to be more forceful in enforcing compliance with the act, and we are down to this one non-compliant business.”
Park said census information does not contain the detailed information the City needs to determine who should be billed poll tax.
He acknowledged some employers may not know whether an employee owns property or not, but the City would be able to cross-reference a complete employee list with the City’s list of registered property owners to get a better idea of who should be taxed.
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Randy from C.B, NL writes: You are right to try this Pat...Just because the city says so....Do not make it Right.......Waiting on the answer for this...........More for the city to fix if this is wrong.
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| Posted 21/11/2009 at 12:23 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Jack from Gillams, Newfoundland and Labrador writes: Since Corner Brook's actions might be a violation of PIPEDA, or Personal Information Protection and Electronic Document's Act enacted in 2004, the city as absolutely no right to divulge personal information unless an employee has written authorization to do and/or only if a law enforcement agency needs it.
If a person doesn't give written authorization, then under Canadian law, which also includes Corner Brook, then the employer cannot disclose that information.
Perhaps its about time Newfoundland and Labrador towns abolishes or reduces the Poll Tax for individuals earning less than $30,000 per year, has temporary or contract employment, university or college students, living on Income Support, or has a severe permanent disability living with a relative and earns less than $30,000 per year indexed to inflation.
Besides, is it right for Corner Brook to charge a Poll Tax on an adult with severe disability living with his/her parents? Absolutely not.
Maybe the outdated Poll Tax should be modernized to keep up with today's reality.
Therefore, don't be surprised if the outdated Section 153 of the Corner Brook Act is abolished due to conflicts with PIPEDA, and the act is not modernized to accommodate PIPEDA guidelines.
If Nova Scotian towns and regional municipalities are not allowed to charge this tax, so should Newfoundland.
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| Posted 21/11/2009 at 12:29 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Mike from Halifax, Nova Scotia writes: As a former resident of Corner Brook as well as a former employee of Mr. Hickey, I fully support his legal challenge. I would argue that the Poll Tax in its current form is nothing but a tax grab and a violation of PIPEDA. Kudos to Mr. Hickey for standing up to the city for this foolishness.
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| Posted 21/11/2009 at 3:23 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Mike from Halifax, Nova Scotia writes: Further to my above comment. I question the motives of Corner Brook City Council. Firstly, the snow clearing debacle and secondly this? One would would question Council's motives. I would suggest that the new Council worry about furthering economic development as opposed to penalizing a local business and its employees.
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| Posted 21/11/2009 at 3:33 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Martha from St. John's, NL writes: As all other companies in the city of Corner Brook, I believe that this one should be treated no differently. There are law enforcement agencies that are giving this information to the city. These people would not give out a telephone number of an enforcement officer when asked by the public. They would be instructed to leave a message and the officer would get back to them. The City is not out there to pass this information out to random callers. I also hope there would be confidentiality within the ranks of the City of Corner Brook staff. Why should Mr. Hickey's employees be exempt from taxes - either poll or property? This sounds like revenge to me re the snow clearing incident.
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| Posted 21/11/2009 at 8:39 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Jack from Gillams, Newfoundland and Labrador writes: Martha, the reason Mr. Hickey is challenging the law is due to possible violations with the Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act or PIPEDA which prohibits anyone from giving personal information without written authorization.
The only exemptions to PIPEDA laws are law enforcement agencies and emergency services, such as fire and ambulance.
By releasing personal information without written permission except for emergency or law enforcement purposes, Corner Brook is obviously breaking the law.
That is the main reason Section 153 of the antiquated Corner Brook Act must either be changed or terminated altogether. If that is not changed, Neville Greeley will be no different than his predecessor, Charles Pender.
Food for thought, its none of anyone's business if you have real property in the city or not. I thought Corner Brook has that information in their databases already.
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| Posted 21/11/2009 at 9:11 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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what a jpke from nl writes: How is providing the City with employees names and street addresses any different then providing the Federal Government with much more information like employees names, addresses, dates of birth, social insurance numbers, rate of pay, etc. when Mr. Hickey submits T1's, T4's, ROE's for his employees?
If Mr. Hickey is doing this on princple he should also challenge the federal government or is he simply being vindictive towards the City?
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| Posted 21/11/2009 at 9:34 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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deer lake from nl writes: OMG you can comment on this, but not on that story of the deer lake woman,
that is such a sad story
i mean if people have comment to make to that family how can they do it
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| Posted 21/11/2009 at 9:53 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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MiK from Newfoundland writes: I don't think the City workers even know what Poll Tax is for. I moved out of the City last January, then a couple of months ago I received my paycheck with a garnish on it. I was shocked to say the least as I did not know of any bill that I had not paid. I contacted my employer and they told me is was for unpaid Poll Tax for the city of Corner Brook. When I went to City Hall and asked them why I was being charged this they told me its because I don't live in the city but I use their ammenities and funny enough I am not the only one at my work place that lives outside the city but am the only one who has to pay Poll Tax. So my question is, is it for City Residents or for those outside?
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| Posted 21/11/2009 at 10:57 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Noel from Corner Brook, Newfoundland writes: I have a great idea! How about we do away with the poll tax and put a toll booth at the bridge coming from the North Shore into Corner Brook. This is the commerce center for this entire area. You come over to shop, work, and play ... why not contribute?
If I’m not mistaken, doesn’t Mr. Hickey have the contract for security at the Port. Isn’t the Port a City corporation? Maybe Mr. Hickey needs to look at the bigger picture … it is easy to get tunnel vision sometimes.
Jack from Gillams: I'll help you a little bit. Here is an exerpt from the Act that you are so stuck on with respect to this particular situation: (I have copied and pasted from the legislation itself)
Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act.
Purpose: 3. The purpose of this Part is to establish, in an era in which technology increasingly facilitates the circulation and exchange of information, rules to govern the collection, use and disclosure of personal information in a manner that recognizes the right of privacy of individuals with respect to their personal information and the need of organizations to collect, use or Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents — October 28, 2009 disclose personal information for purposes that a reasonable person would consider appropriate in the circumstances.
This Act doesn't apply to this situation. Mr. Hickey is required to give the information AS PER the City of Corner Brook Act. Now, if Mr. Hickey had to give the same information for the City to publish on their website ... then this Act would apply. The City is NOT requesting the information for circulation ... it is a collection of needed by the City for the collection of taxes. Whether we like it or not, we have to pay our taxes. Mr. Hicky should understand that better than anyone being that he is a member of the Liberal Party.
Further, you mention that it is no one's business if you own property but it is the City's business under the Municipalities Act!
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| Posted 21/11/2009 at 11:00 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Raymond Greathouse from Corner Brook, NL writes: I use to work for Mr. Hickey. The man gave me a job when no one would. In turn I had nothing but respect for the man. He always seemed do genuine to me. He use to tell me I was his best employee. The respect between us was mutual. Honestly even though the job didnt pay the best. He was great to work for.
As time went on for reasons I won't go into I seperated from the company. I will always remember something Mr. Hickey said to me when I called to resign my position.
He said I seriously hope you find some hapiness in your life.
I have had moments of true hapiness since
Once sitting in a room at Grenfell college sitting across a table in a business meeting. Even though the meeting didn't go my way, The experience was wonderful.
Again today, I found some more hapiness when I opened this website and saw my old friend as the Top Story.
Thank You Sir for the great advice.
All the Best
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| Posted 21/11/2009 at 11:22 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Tim from South Shore Bay of Island, NL writes: I moved outside of the City of Corner Brook after they contacted my employer for my personal information. I had been living in the city for one winter and during this time I had issues with my garbage not being picked up, the roads not being plowed and a disrespectful response from the city when I filed complaints. I ended up paying 50% of my polling tax for the 6 months that I resided in the city and then I purchased a house outside of the city. People in Corner Brook should consider buying outside of Corner Brook, the municipalities do excellent work for the amount of taxes that they charge and people are much more friendly.
I had a hard enough time parting with 6 months of polling taxes when I knew it was simply going to go towards 'Pender's Palace' not the much needed road-work and snowclearing needs of the city.
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| Posted 21/11/2009 at 5:03 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Raymond Greathouse from Corner Brook, NL writes: To Mr. Big picture (if that is your real name.)
You are right. A smart business man would be making a sizeable profit on a services business like security. You don't go into business to lose money. You have to compete and make smart business decisions. Well unless you can corner the market and monopolize an industry with an additional factor of having fixed prices that makes it impossible for anyone to compete with you. There is a word for that I think it is called rackateering or something.
Mr Hickey is being responsible by agreeing to hand over the information once the court asks for it.
Being an ex lawman myself I would love to set down and talk with the Mayor or any other authority who would like to ask me questions. A couple of cops chit chattin. A real fireside affair. A couple of drinks and someone to drive us home.
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| Posted 21/11/2009 at 5:32 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Don Pardy from New London, CT writes: If you disagree with the poll tax, being forced as a company to divulge the data to city government, the amount of your property tax, or the level of expenses incurred by the city government, those individuals or businesses should consider relocating to a neighbouring community with more fiscally prudent operations with a lower thirst for tax dollars.
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George from Lark Harbour, Newfoundland writes: Go gett'em Pat...
City is so full of it...
I gotta ask does revenue canada or revenue NL not have this information from income tax return data??????
So why does the city pay people to pester small bidness people like Pat Hickey for information that they should have access to?
Indeed pay these pests with our tax $$$...
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| Posted 22/11/2009 at 12:36 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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what a joke from newfoundland writes: George, The real question is, if Mr. Hickey does not mind providing this information to the Canadian or NFLD government why is he so opposed to giving it to the City government. Sounds like nothing more then him having a hate on for the City. Petty.
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| Posted 22/11/2009 at 9:06 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Chris from NL writes: The Poll Tax is a relic that should be abolished.
First introduced as a means of combatting the problem of migrant workers it was an attempt by cities to clamp down on and control these individuals. Poll tax is also known as a Head tax.
Most countries as well as provinces in Canada have abolished the Poll tax as unfair and discriminatory.
Here in Corner Brook, renters are double taxed by our system.
1) A landlord builds property tax into his rental charge, ie. Property Tax goes up, Rents go up, the landlord's don't absorb that cost, it's passed on to the renter.
2) Renters are then charged poll tax because they use facilities in the city that they don't pay for through the property tax system.
However, renters DO pay property tax by the incremental increases in their rental charge everytime property taxes increase. The landlord does not pay the tax, it's passed on to the renter.
So renters pay 2 taxes for the use of services that real property owners pay for with 1 tax.
Abolish the poll tax, it's a relic and it should be criminal.
Also, renters have to pay tax through their rent, but since they aren't the homeowner, they cannot appeal the assessment. Taxation without representation much?
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